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June 17, 2003 Email Forum
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I have
a cavity type wound pressure ulcer from sitting in my chair too long at
work. Surgically debrided 12 mos. ago when it was fist sized at sacrum.
After a year of saline washes and silvadene packings to promote drying,
wound is now thumsized width at epidermal opening, but goes to sacral bone's
tip in tunnel shape 2 1/2 inches.
I am a 49 year old spinal cord injured quadriplegic who's used a wheelchair
for 33 years. I/m asthmatic, so some sitting up in my chair prevents
respiratory infections. I have a Roho cushion and a tilt-in-space power
wheelchair. With sci lesion at C-5, I have bicep/shoulder control, nothing
else.
After net browsing, I learned of wet wound bed treatment and for last 3 days
used recomm. cleanser, calcium alginate and polyskinon wound. Wound is now
necrosis free. Please advise short/long term courses of treatment.
Thank you,
G.T. Young
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Do you
have a sample physicians' order for deep wound care of infected wound? Not
medicare related?
Wound is post-op infection of bone graft site on hip. 2 tracts.
thanks
yws |
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| I have
a patient that the Doctors wants to try Circaide Boots on. Have you got any
information on these items. Your help is appreciated.
Cathy LSW |
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| I have
a patient that is being cared for at home She had a hysterectomy 14 months
ago we have dealt with repeated infections,repeated hospital stays,We change
dressing three times a day,in the last week even used wound vac and are now
dealing with yet another infection would like all advice that can be given
on this subject! Favor |
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| I am dr:Mohamed AL-Halbouni MD
CABS.I have patient with SCD (sicke-cell disease) and had leg ulcer....since
long period please i need your help thank you.
Mohamed |
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I am a
nurse in a long term care facility, I have some questions and comments.
First, we use a product called EZ Boots for prevention of breakdown to
heels. One of the nurses in our faicility will wrap a red heel with an
abundance of kerlix for "protection" and then apply the ez boot. Is it
necessary to wrap or cover a reddened area, when you are using a product
that creates a 'cradle' for the heel?
Second, we have a resident who has 2 stage 2-3 ulcers, one is right on the
coccyx, and the other is in the crease between the bottom of the buttock and
the thigh. The one on the coccyx is nearly closed on the surface but has
started to tunnel, I pack it daily with calcium alginate after applying a
new product called Xenaderm to the wound bed and surrounding tissue. What am
I doing wrong? I have watched this wound go from approximately 3 1/2 cm with
no tunnel, down to approx 1 cm with a tunnel. The other wound was nearly
closed, approx 0.5 cm opening with the same treatment and it has opened back
up now to approx 2 cm with only slight tunneling. Any help would be greatly
appreciated, I'm beginning to feel defeated.
Also, with the treatment of our decubes we use nutritional supplements, and
a special drink called arginaid. Is there anything else that we could do?
Thank you,
Diane B., LPN
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Hello,
I have been diagnosed with Type II Diabetes, taking Metformin, and have no
problems in keeping my diet in check. My problem began prior to diagnosis,
but I think it must be related. My doctor does not seem too concerned other
than to prescribe a cortisone type topical cream. Which really doesn't do
very much for my situation. What I have are small blister-like bumps on the
shins of my legs, surronded by skin that appears very slightly red. It
doesn't hurt or itch, just looks terrible. I've been using Eucerin cream ,
and it seems to keep the skin supple, but doesn't really do much for the
condition itself. I'd like to know what it is I have, and how to treat
it....any suggestions? Thanks, Arlene
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I have
a question and need some help. we are a small home care agency on guam and
we plan to send one our nurses to get training so that she can become a wocn
certified nurse.
we are looking for a job description for a wound care certified nurse
specialists- preferrably in home care, but since there are not other wocn
specialists on guam, maybe a job description that is general and could serve
the community as a whole
ruth , rn, mn |
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I am
currently using the wound vac system on a 62yo with hx of IDDM. S/P
Laminectomy developed an abscess that has since turned into a 13 cm long and
4 cm deep wound. I am having trouble with the vac at the disc site. Multiple
times the center of disc has pulled away leaving a significant air leak. She
has since been D/C home after developing a nasty infection. They used the
wound vac in the hospital without problems. As soon as she came home the
dressings again came loose. I had the KCI nurse come out and I am doing the
dressing as directed, The patient is ambulatory and walks hunched over. Has
anyone had these problems? The wound covers lower thoracic to low lumbar.
I have tried to place the transparent dressing over the leak but that does
not help. I have positioned the tube every way thinkable. The only success
that I have had is heavily taping the tube in an upward manner and secured
all the way to bra line. I have done the dressing as directed by wound nurse
at large teaching hospital but that does not work either. HELP PLEASE
Denise |
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We have
just purchased a $1,000 ultrasound machine from Alegro, 1mhz and 3mhz,
int.legend, up to 20 watts. It's only 3.5 pounds... We have funds to
purchase a larger machine later. Can you recommend one that will
out-perform our portable unit for healing.?????
With Care, Will |
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my friend
stepped on desert cactus needles last fall, and the wound on her heel
remains open and draining, and will not heal. she is not diabetic, and she
has seen two doctors who have not been very helpful,...one suggesting major
surgery, the other suggesting prosthesis,...she is very despondent, and her
life has been badly impaired.....we would be thankful to anyone who has had
a similar experience, who might offer suggestions or recommend a treatment.
GG |
Depending upon what type of cactus your friend steped on might make a
difference in curing her problem. Some types have poisonous tips that linger
in the wound. Most pucture wounds though can be treated the old fashion way
by using Epsom Salts, hot water and soaking the injured area for 15 min to a
half hour several times a day... This tends to draw the poisons out and help
to heal the wound. It's possible that a protion of the spine is still
located deep within the puncture and it the reason the wound won't heal.
Some spines will continue to travel through the body to come out the other
side... pretty nasty...
Don't know if an xray of the area might show it, but either way some minor
surgery would be required to remove it. some cactus like cholla have
fishhook spines so that when they go in the hook prevents them from coming
out.... and you have to use pliares to pull them , been there and done that.
So don't know how much I have helped but lots of luck.
John
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GG,
You don't give much info, but it sounds like your friend really needs to
find
a skilled wound specialist. Try www.wocn.org or www.aawm.org to find people
certified in wound care in your area. Is your friend keeping off the foot?
Is their circulation ok? There are many, many things that could impact wound
healing, and he/she needs to be seen by a specialist. Not every
physician/nurse/podiatrist/physical therapist is an expert.
Renee, PT, CWS
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Has there been a bone scan done to rule out
osteomyelitis, (bone infection)? If this has been diagnosed and intravenous
antibiotics have failed to solve the problem, the next step would be to add
hyperbaric treatments. If you are unfamiliar with this, it is the delivery
of oxygen at pressures greater than surface pressure. The treatments deliver
oxygen to the bone to stimulate the immune process, break down dead bone and
build new bone. This can only be accomplished inside a hyperbaric chamber.
The usual protocol is 40 treatments and is covered under most insurances.
Hyperbaric treatments along with antibiotics and proper wound care, (in this
case I would suggest starting with Aquacell Ag to absorb drainage and fight
infection), usually can produce a favorable outcome. Even if bone infection
is not present, hyperbaric treatments can be an appropriate intervention
with good wound care to achieve healing. Though hyperbaric treatments are a
big commitment and expensive, it is a lot less expensive and life altering
than an amputation.
Douglas R., RN, BSN, ACHRN, CWCN
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Dear GG,
My first question is how does the wound look? Has it gotten bigger than it
was before? What size is it? How deep is it also? What color inside the
wound and outside on the surrounding skin? Is it pink or yellow or black?
Did the doctors do any debridement? Does she have a fever or any other
illnesses now? does the wound smell? What kind of drainage? Pus, and if so
did they do a culture? She could have an infected wound which means she may
need antibiotics, either IV or by mouth or topical. Sometimes people get
wounds which are resistant to antibiotics so you need to have the culture
done to find out what kind of bacteria is causing the non-healing wound, if
it is a bacteria....
Ashelin
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Have MDs check for spirophytosis??? Its
gardeners disease from thorns from rose bushes. I just saw pt who got it
from thorny plant. She was treated with Iodosorb topically plus systemic
antibiotics and antifungals
Cathy W
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I just got back
from a state home health conference (May 2003) and was verbally given the
information on how NaCl can last 5 weeks in the fridge in a patient's home.
I am still looking for the printed material to back this information up. I
didn't realize it would be so hard to find! In all my searching today, my
search words brought me to your question! If ANYONE has any information on
this, please share!
Melanie |
Contact a pharmacist and a few maunfacturers of the product. They'll be able
to tell you what's permitted.
Dr. Allan Freedline
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I've heard about it being ok for a week in
the fridge, but not 5 weeks. Even
the 1 week is supported anectodatally, and I've heard of a poster someone
presented on it at a conference. Good for you to look for evidence. But,
this is certainly an area lacking in research. Someone definitely needs to
do
a study on this topic.
Renee, PT, CWS
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Dear Melanie,
Presumably you are using the NaCl for wound irrigation. In this case I use
Steripods or a generic equivalent. Prior to opening the pod spray the top
with a disinfectant.
As for keeping saline in the fridge, one of the problems with this is that
when you irrigate a wound it is better to have the saline at body
temperature. I was taught that cold saline will have a delaying effect on
the healing process.
This E mail is from England and so you may have to find out the USA
equivalent of Steripods.
Dr. Lee |
Can you please
provide me with comprehensive resources and/or alternatives for diabetic
foot ulcers for my mother. My mother is 76 is on hemodialysis, has
hypertension, congenital heart disease, serious leaky heart and atrial
fibrillation and COPD. Prior to dialysis in early fall 2002 she began to
complain of pain in her foot, since then and thru hospitalizations she
developed foot ulcers. She recently underwent vascular surgery and while in
rehab developed more ulcers on the same foot and on the other foot. The MD's
are stating the vascular surgery worked but it is not helping the neuropathy
and small artery disease of her feet. What do you feel are alternatives to
additional vascular surgery on the other leg, and clinical matters to
address in general. I would appreciate a very quick response in general and
if possible.
Regards,
Trummell |
Your
mother has a lot of concerns that make wound healing more difficult. If
it's the small arteries, then surgery won't help. It only helps the larger
vessels. The Anodyne may be helpful at dilating the small vessels as able to
promote healing. Also, electrical stimulation has been shown in a couple
studies in the last year to help the circulation as well. Is she keeping
weight off her foot? Is her diabetes well controlled. She should see a
certified wound specialist. Go to www.aawm.org or www.wocn.org to find one
in your area.
Renee, PT, CWS---
Try anodyne therapy if it will work for her.
It`s good for neuropathy as well as wound healing.
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Your mother may be a candidate for hyperbaric
oxygen therapy (HBO) depending on if she can be safely pressurized with her
heart and lung disease. HBO is a great adjunctive therapy along with good
wound care for DM patients with small vessel disease aiding in the healing
of DM ulcers. Consult a good hyperbaric physician to review your mothers
medical history and perform a physical to assure your mom can tolerate the
therapy. Good Luck
Leonard
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Knowing more about the wound would help not
to mention seeing what it looks like. But I have dealt with a few feet that
just did not want to heal even the ones that wanted to tunnel, and drain.
Tell your friend to ask her doctor if she can try some thing call calcium
alginate (sea weed of sorts), you can get it in shoe string like strips that
you can pack up into you friends wound that will help absorb and heal her
wound. But please make sure she has no allergies or other complications that
may make trying this product a problem first so check with the doctor. I AM
NOT A DOCTOR I can only tell you what we have tried on some of our wound
that were cleared by a doctor first. And in case you can not use the calcium
alginate the drainage usually means there is some kind of lingering
infection you'll have to use something to get that out first before you can
even hope to get it to heal.
Teania C.
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Sorry to hear about your mom. I'm assuming
that if she has peripheral neuropathy, she is diabetic. Diabetes causes
neuropathy and small artery disease. The vascular surgery may be very
helpful in increasing the blood flow to the feet. With the small artery
disease her foot isn't receiving the blood that it needs to heal. So I would
start there. I would have the surgery. Once done speak to your insurance
company and see they would allow you to see for wound management.
There are specialized doctors and specialized nurses who work only with
wounds. Some other measures that may be helpful may be elevating the legs
and feet when sitting, foot and foot whirlpools (these help increase
the blood flow to the feet and legs--do not do both
lower extremities together if any of the wounds are infected or it may
spread the infection to the other wounds), keep her blood sugars controlled
if possible, and pain management. Peripheral neuropathy and ulcers are
painful, if your mom isn't already on medications for the neuropathy like
Elivil or Nuerotin, insist and demand. No one should have to be in pain.
Remember, there is a difference between being a drug addict and
being dependent on meds for a good quality of life. Lastly, most hospitals
should have a diabetic resource center-they may have some other alteratives
or contact resources for you. Contacting your insurance company
may also open doors. They often have a listing of
doctors that they will allow you go see for second
opinions or who are specialists in diabetes, ulcers, or peripheral vascular
disorders.
Good luck, Theresa
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have had excellent results with
diabetics by using a treatment regiment of dietary considerations, Vitamin
of Zinc Sulfate, Vit A, E, and C, Cleanse ulcers with sterile Ns, apply
hydogel with Colagen to wound bed, cover with Nugel wafer and secure. This
type of dressing is changed every 72 hours. I have found rapid skin
regeneration by using this type of treatment regement and some times a nitro
patch to surface of affected limb helps with circulation. Good
Luck.......Eaton
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If she now has good arterial flow, we have
had great success with contact
casting.
Sue Anne Thurman
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| Husband has
first and second degree burns on arm.And does not wont to go back to the Dr
what can I do fo him at home? Tammy |
try
buying some silvadine cream. it's sold over the counter and is made for
burns. it also contains some antibiotics to prevent infections. it works
well.
theresa---
He should see the doctor. He may need more
care than you can provide at home.
If the burn goes around his elbow, shoulder, or wrist, it definitely needs
care to avoid losing movement and function. In the meantime, keep it clean,
and use an antibiotic ointment on the open areas, like Neosporin. Use a good
lotion on the closed areas. If there is an increase of pain, warmth,
swelling, or redness, it could be an infection setting in, and he HAS to go
to
a doctor at that time.
Renee, PT, CWS
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You can apply pure Lavender Essential Oil on
those burns, with no dilution, apply it as it is and you will see very fast
recovery.
Keep applying it for a few months and there will be a very small scar or
even no scar at all.
Best regards
Catty
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I am a
paediatric nurse have a child with a fractured femur on traction .Child has
excezma very red,itchy with small amount of exudate.What can i dress this
with to help it heal,using duoderm extra thin at the moment.Would be very
grateful for your help.Excezma is at the back of the fracture site.
Anita |
Is the
eczema is not caused by a reaction to tape or caused by an irritation from
the traction apparatus?
I have found the best treatment for eczema is bathing with Alpha Keri Oil
soothes the irritated area, followed by an application of Alpha Keri Lotion
at least three times a day. This will replace the natural oils lost from the
irritated area.
My Third child was diagnosed with Chronic Infantile Eczema at 3 months. This
treatment was suggested, along with a topical application of Hydrocortisone
Cream 1% to the area in the acute phase at least T.D.S. I found that the
area began to heal within the first few days, and ceasing the Hydrocortisone
after 1 week.
I would strongly discourage the use of a Hydrocolloid for the following
reasons.
When removing the dressing, further irritation will occur.
While moist healing is encouraged for wounds, eczema is aggravated further
by excess moisture. If a dressing is necessary, try applying a non-adherent
dressing for containment.
Hydrocolloids will not replace the skins natural oils, which is necessary
for healing of dermatitis and eczema.
If the irritation is caused by the traction itself, if possible, try a small
amount of padding at the pressure point.
Alternatively, try consulting with a Dermatologist for their professional
opinion. They may have other solutions, they suggested the above treatment
to me.
Good luck.
Martin---
With excezma you should avoid anything
adhesive, a zinc impregnated dressing or bandage, may be relieving. Smith
& Nephew
have a product called Zipzoc which is a
tubigrip impregnated with zinc and paraffin. I sometimes cut squares off
to apply as dressing pads on excezma. A steroid ung may be necessary in
the first instance short term to settle the exacerbation and stop the
exudate, then apply the zinc, and for maintenance an emollient like
50/50white soft paraffin/ liquid paraffin. This is safe because it has no
preserfatives or unknown products as with many commercial preparations.
Cushla (district nurse, Motueka)
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I have used with success Chickweed ointment
with a telfa pad. Its a homeopathic cream. I have used it by applying it to
the site leaving the dressing on for 24 hours then taking it off. Allowing
it to dry then repeating as nesesary. Then just apply cream.
This method can also be used with a steroid cream.
The duoderm thin could be causing some of the problems so I would look at
some other form of dressing.
Hope this helps
Leanne
RN Comp
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excezma in this case is pretty tricky. have
you tried putting on a good lotion to the area, air drying the area or using
a hair drier on a low setting to dry the area, then apply a protective skin
barrier like skin prep before applying the thin duoderm. The skin prep will
help the duoderm stay in place and will help prevent shearing the skin when
removing the duoderm.
terri
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try the hydrogel sheets. (johnson and johnson
have the best in my opinion). the sheets are soothing and cool. they may be
kept in the fridge. you can also use medicine under them. they can stay on
for a day or two... maybe three.
but they are soothing and what i would prefer over the hydrocolloid.
Batezel1 |
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