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 June 17, 2003 Email Forum

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I have a cavity type wound pressure ulcer from sitting in my chair too long at work. Surgically debrided 12 mos. ago when it was fist sized at sacrum. After a year of saline washes and silvadene packings to promote drying, wound is now thumsized width at epidermal opening, but goes to sacral bone's tip in tunnel shape 2 1/2 inches.
I am a 49 year old spinal cord injured quadriplegic who's used a wheelchair for 33 years. I/m asthmatic, so some sitting up in my chair prevents respiratory infections. I have a Roho cushion and a tilt-in-space power wheelchair. With sci lesion at C-5, I have bicep/shoulder control, nothing else.
After net browsing, I learned of wet wound bed treatment and for last 3 days used recomm. cleanser, calcium alginate and polyskinon wound. Wound is now necrosis free. Please advise short/long term courses of treatment.
Thank you,

G.T. Young
 
 
Do you have a sample physicians' order for deep wound care of infected wound? Not medicare related?

Wound is post-op infection of bone graft site on hip. 2 tracts.
thanks
yws
 
I have a patient that the Doctors wants to try Circaide Boots on.  Have you got any information on these items.   Your help is appreciated.

Cathy LSW

 
I have a patient that is being cared for at home She had a hysterectomy 14 months ago we have dealt with repeated infections,repeated hospital stays,We change dressing three times a day,in the last week even used wound vac and are now dealing with yet another infection would like all advice that can be given on this subject!

Favor

 
I am dr:Mohamed AL-Halbouni MD CABS.I have patient with SCD (sicke-cell disease) and had leg ulcer....since long period please i need your help thank you.

Mohamed

 
I am a nurse in a long term care facility, I have some questions and comments. First, we use a product called EZ Boots for prevention of breakdown to heels. One of the nurses in our faicility will wrap a red heel with an abundance of kerlix for "protection" and then apply the ez boot. Is it necessary to wrap or cover a reddened area, when you are using a product that creates a 'cradle' for the heel?
Second, we have a resident who has 2 stage 2-3 ulcers, one is right on the coccyx, and the other is in the crease between the bottom of the buttock and the thigh. The one on the coccyx is nearly closed on the surface but has started to tunnel, I pack it daily with calcium alginate after applying a new product called Xenaderm to the wound bed and surrounding tissue. What am I doing wrong? I have watched this wound go from approximately 3 1/2 cm with no tunnel, down to approx 1 cm with a tunnel. The other wound was nearly closed, approx 0.5 cm opening with the same treatment and it has opened back up now to approx 2 cm with only slight tunneling. Any help would be greatly appreciated, I'm beginning to feel defeated.
Also, with the treatment of our decubes we use nutritional supplements, and a special drink called arginaid. Is there anything else that we could do?
Thank you,
Diane B., LPN
 
 
Hello,

I have been diagnosed with Type II Diabetes, taking Metformin, and have no problems in keeping my diet in check. My problem began prior to diagnosis, but I think it must be related. My doctor does not seem too concerned other
than to prescribe a cortisone type topical cream. Which really doesn't do very much for my situation. What I have are small blister-like bumps on the shins of my legs, surronded by skin that appears very slightly red. It doesn't hurt or itch, just looks terrible. I've been using Eucerin cream , and it seems to keep the skin supple, but doesn't really do much for the condition itself. I'd like to know what it is I have, and how to treat
it....any suggestions? Thanks, Arlene
 
 
I have a question and need some help. we are a small home care agency on guam and we plan to send one our nurses to get training so that she can become a wocn certified nurse.
we are looking for a job description for a wound care certified nurse specialists- preferrably in home care, but since there are not other wocn specialists on guam, maybe a job description that is general and could serve the community as a whole

ruth , rn, mn
 
I am currently using the wound vac system on a 62yo with hx of IDDM. S/P Laminectomy developed an abscess that has since turned into a 13 cm long and 4 cm deep wound. I am having trouble with the vac at the disc site. Multiple times the center of disc has pulled away leaving a significant air leak. She has since been D/C home after developing a nasty infection. They used the wound vac in the hospital without problems. As soon as she came home the dressings again came loose. I had the KCI nurse come out and I am doing the dressing as directed, The patient is ambulatory and walks hunched over. Has anyone had these problems? The wound covers lower thoracic to low lumbar.

I have tried to place the transparent dressing over the leak but that does not help. I have positioned the tube every way thinkable. The only success that I have had is heavily taping the tube in an upward manner and secured all the way to bra line. I have done the dressing as directed by wound nurse at large teaching hospital but that does not work either. HELP PLEASE
Denise
 
We have  just purchased a $1,000 ultrasound machine from Alegro, 1mhz and 3mhz, int.legend, up to 20 watts.  It's only 3.5 pounds... We  have funds to purchase a larger machine later.  Can you recommend one that will out-perform our portable unit for healing.?????
                     With Care,  Will
 

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 Previous email questions & replies. Remember, replies have not been validated for accuracy or truthfulness.

my friend stepped on desert cactus needles last fall, and the wound on her heel remains open and draining, and will not heal. she is not diabetic, and she has seen two doctors who have not been very helpful,...one suggesting major surgery, the other suggesting prosthesis,...she is very despondent, and her life has been badly impaired.....we would be thankful to anyone who has had a similar experience, who might offer suggestions or recommend a treatment.
GG
Depending upon what type of cactus your friend steped on might make a difference in curing her problem. Some types have poisonous tips that linger in the wound. Most pucture wounds though can be treated the old fashion way by using Epsom Salts, hot water and soaking the injured area for 15 min to a half hour several times a day... This tends to draw the poisons out and help to heal the wound. It's possible that a protion of the spine is still located deep within the puncture and it the reason the wound won't heal. Some spines will continue to travel through the body to come out the other side... pretty nasty...

Don't know if an xray of the area might show it, but either way some minor surgery would be required to remove it. some cactus like cholla have fishhook spines so that when they go in the hook prevents them from coming out.... and you have to use pliares to pull them , been there and done that.
So don't know how much I have helped but lots of luck.

John
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GG,

You don't give much info, but it sounds like your friend really needs to find
a skilled wound specialist. Try www.wocn.org or www.aawm.org to find people
certified in wound care in your area. Is your friend keeping off the foot?
Is their circulation ok? There are many, many things that could impact wound
healing, and he/she needs to be seen by a specialist. Not every
physician/nurse/podiatrist/physical therapist is an expert.

Renee, PT, CWS
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Has there been a bone scan done to rule out osteomyelitis, (bone infection)? If this has been diagnosed and intravenous antibiotics have failed to solve the problem, the next step would be to add hyperbaric treatments. If you are unfamiliar with this, it is the delivery of oxygen at pressures greater than surface pressure. The treatments deliver oxygen to the bone to stimulate the immune process, break down dead bone and build new bone. This can only be accomplished inside a hyperbaric chamber. The usual protocol is 40 treatments and is covered under most insurances. Hyperbaric treatments along with antibiotics and proper wound care, (in this case I would suggest starting with Aquacell Ag to absorb drainage and fight infection), usually can produce a favorable outcome. Even if bone infection is not present, hyperbaric treatments can be an appropriate intervention with good wound care to achieve healing. Though hyperbaric treatments are a big commitment and expensive, it is a lot less expensive and life altering than an amputation.

Douglas R., RN, BSN, ACHRN, CWCN

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Dear GG,

My first question is how does the wound look? Has it gotten bigger than it was before? What size is it? How deep is it also? What color inside the wound and outside on the surrounding skin? Is it pink or yellow or black? Did the doctors do any debridement? Does she have a fever or any other illnesses now? does the wound smell? What kind of drainage? Pus, and if so did they do a culture? She could have an infected wound which means she may need antibiotics, either IV or by mouth or topical. Sometimes people get wounds which are resistant to antibiotics so you need to have the culture done to find out what kind of bacteria is causing the non-healing wound, if it is a bacteria....

Ashelin

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Have MDs check for spirophytosis??? Its gardeners disease from thorns from rose bushes. I just saw pt who got it from thorny plant. She was treated with Iodosorb topically plus systemic antibiotics and antifungals

Cathy W
 

I just got back from a state home health conference (May 2003) and was verbally given the information on how NaCl can last 5 weeks in the fridge in a patient's home. I am still looking for the printed material to back this information up. I didn't realize it would be so hard to find! In all my searching today, my search words brought me to your question! If ANYONE has any information on this, please share!
Melanie
Contact a pharmacist and a few maunfacturers of the product. They'll be able to tell you what's permitted.

Dr. Allan Freedline

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I've heard about it being ok for a week in the fridge, but not 5 weeks. Even
the 1 week is supported anectodatally, and I've heard of a poster someone
presented on it at a conference. Good for you to look for evidence. But,
this is certainly an area lacking in research. Someone definitely needs to do
a study on this topic.

Renee, PT, CWS

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Dear Melanie,

Presumably you are using the NaCl for wound irrigation. In this case I use Steripods or a generic equivalent. Prior to opening the pod spray the top with a disinfectant.
As for keeping saline in the fridge, one of the problems with this is that when you irrigate a wound it is better to have the saline at body temperature. I was taught that cold saline will have a delaying effect on the healing process.

This E mail is from England and so you may have to find out the USA equivalent of Steripods.

Dr. Lee

Can you please provide me with comprehensive resources and/or alternatives for diabetic foot ulcers for my mother. My mother is 76 is on hemodialysis, has hypertension, congenital heart disease, serious leaky heart and atrial fibrillation and COPD. Prior to dialysis in early fall 2002 she began to complain of pain in her foot, since then and thru hospitalizations she developed foot ulcers. She recently underwent vascular surgery and while in rehab developed more ulcers on the same foot and on the other foot. The MD's are stating the vascular surgery worked but it is not helping the neuropathy and small artery disease of her feet. What do you feel are alternatives to additional vascular surgery on the other leg, and clinical matters to address in general. I would appreciate a very quick response in general and if possible.
Regards,
Trummell
Your mother has a lot of concerns that make wound healing more difficult. If
it's the small arteries, then surgery won't help. It only helps the larger vessels. The Anodyne may be helpful at dilating the small vessels as able to
promote healing. Also, electrical stimulation has been shown in a couple studies in the last year to help the circulation as well. Is she keeping
weight off her foot? Is her diabetes well controlled. She should see a certified wound specialist. Go to www.aawm.org or www.wocn.org to find one
in your area.

Renee, PT, CWS

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Try anodyne therapy if it will work for her. It`s good for neuropathy as well as wound healing.

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Your mother may be a candidate for hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBO) depending on if she can be safely pressurized with her heart and lung disease. HBO is a great adjunctive therapy along with good wound care for DM patients with small vessel disease aiding in the healing of DM ulcers. Consult a good hyperbaric physician to review your mothers medical history and perform a physical to assure your mom can tolerate the therapy. Good Luck

Leonard
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Knowing more about the wound would help not to mention seeing what it looks like. But I have dealt with a few feet that just did not want to heal even the ones that wanted to tunnel, and drain. Tell your friend to ask her doctor if she can try some thing call calcium alginate (sea weed of sorts), you can get it in shoe string like strips that you can pack up into you friends wound that will help absorb and heal her wound. But please make sure she has no allergies or other complications that may make trying this product a problem first so check with the doctor. I AM NOT A DOCTOR I can only tell you what we have tried on some of our wound that were cleared by a doctor first. And in case you can not use the calcium alginate the drainage usually means there is some kind of lingering infection you'll have to use something to get that out first before you can even hope to get it to heal.

Teania C.

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Sorry to hear about your mom. I'm assuming that if she has peripheral neuropathy, she is diabetic. Diabetes causes neuropathy and small artery disease. The vascular surgery may be very helpful in increasing the blood flow to the feet. With the small artery disease her foot isn't receiving the blood that it needs to heal. So I would start there. I would have the surgery. Once done speak to your insurance company and see they would allow you to see for wound management.
There are specialized doctors and specialized nurses who work only with wounds. Some other measures that may be helpful may be elevating the legs and feet when sitting, foot and foot whirlpools (these help increase
the blood flow to the feet and legs--do not do both
lower extremities together if any of the wounds are infected or it may spread the infection to the other wounds), keep her blood sugars controlled if possible, and pain management. Peripheral neuropathy and ulcers are painful, if your mom isn't already on medications for the neuropathy like Elivil or Nuerotin, insist and demand. No one should have to be in pain. Remember, there is a difference between being a drug addict and
being dependent on meds for a good quality of life. Lastly, most hospitals should have a diabetic resource center-they may have some other alteratives or contact resources for you. Contacting your insurance company
may also open doors. They often have a listing of
doctors that they will allow you go see for second
opinions or who are specialists in diabetes, ulcers, or peripheral vascular disorders.

Good luck, Theresa

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 have had excellent results with diabetics by using a treatment regiment of dietary considerations, Vitamin of Zinc Sulfate, Vit A, E, and C, Cleanse ulcers with sterile Ns, apply hydogel with Colagen to wound bed, cover with Nugel wafer and secure. This type of dressing is changed every 72 hours. I have found rapid skin regeneration by using this type of treatment regement and some times a nitro patch to surface of affected limb helps with circulation. Good Luck.......Eaton
 

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If she now has good arterial flow, we have had great success with contact
casting.

Sue Anne Thurman
 

Husband has first and second degree burns on arm.And does not wont to go back to the Dr what can I do fo him at home?

Tammy

try buying some silvadine cream. it's sold over the counter and is made for burns. it also contains some antibiotics to prevent infections. it works well.
theresa

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He should see the doctor. He may need more care than you can provide at home.
If the burn goes around his elbow, shoulder, or wrist, it definitely needs
care to avoid losing movement and function. In the meantime, keep it clean,
and use an antibiotic ointment on the open areas, like Neosporin. Use a good
lotion on the closed areas. If there is an increase of pain, warmth,
swelling, or redness, it could be an infection setting in, and he HAS to go to
a doctor at that time.

Renee, PT, CWS

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You can apply pure Lavender Essential Oil on those burns, with no dilution, apply it as it is and you will see very fast recovery.
Keep applying it for a few months and there will be a very small scar or even no scar at all.
Best regards
Catty

 

I am a paediatric nurse have a child with a fractured femur on traction .Child has excezma very red,itchy with small amount of exudate.What can i dress this with to help it heal,using duoderm extra thin at the moment.Would be very grateful for your help.Excezma is at the back of the fracture site.
Anita
Is the eczema is not caused by a reaction to tape or caused by an irritation from the traction apparatus?

I have found the best treatment for eczema is bathing with Alpha Keri Oil soothes the irritated area, followed by an application of Alpha Keri Lotion at least three times a day. This will replace the natural oils lost from the irritated area.

My Third child was diagnosed with Chronic Infantile Eczema at 3 months. This treatment was suggested, along with a topical application of Hydrocortisone Cream 1% to the area in the acute phase at least T.D.S. I found that the area began to heal within the first few days, and ceasing the Hydrocortisone after 1 week.

I would strongly discourage the use of a Hydrocolloid for the following reasons.
When removing the dressing, further irritation will occur.
While moist healing is encouraged for wounds, eczema is aggravated further by excess moisture. If a dressing is necessary, try applying a non-adherent dressing for containment.
Hydrocolloids will not replace the skins natural oils, which is necessary for healing of dermatitis and eczema.
If the irritation is caused by the traction itself, if possible, try a small amount of padding at the pressure point.

Alternatively, try consulting with a Dermatologist for their professional opinion. They may have other solutions, they suggested the above treatment to me.

Good luck.

Martin

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With excezma you should avoid anything adhesive, a zinc impregnated dressing or bandage, may be relieving. Smith & Nephew
have a product called Zipzoc which is a tubigrip impregnated with zinc and paraffin. I sometimes cut squares off to apply as dressing pads on excezma. A steroid ung may be necessary in the first instance short term to  settle the exacerbation and stop the exudate, then apply the  zinc, and for maintenance an emollient like 50/50white soft paraffin/ liquid paraffin. This is safe because it has no preserfatives or unknown products as with many commercial preparations.
Cushla (district nurse, Motueka)

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I have used with success Chickweed ointment with a telfa pad. Its a homeopathic cream. I have used it by applying it to the site leaving the dressing on for 24 hours then taking it off. Allowing it to dry then repeating as nesesary. Then just apply cream.

This method can also be used with a steroid cream.

The duoderm thin could be causing some of the problems so I would look at some other form of dressing.

Hope this helps
Leanne
RN Comp

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excezma in this case is pretty tricky. have you tried putting on a good lotion to the area, air drying the area or using a hair drier on a low setting to dry the area, then apply a protective skin barrier like skin prep before applying the thin duoderm. The skin prep will help the duoderm stay in place and will help prevent shearing the skin when removing the duoderm.

terri

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try the hydrogel sheets. (johnson and johnson have the best in my opinion). the sheets are soothing and cool. they may be kept in the fridge. you can also use medicine under them. they can stay on for a day or two... maybe three.

but they are soothing and what i would prefer over the hydrocolloid.

Batezel1

   

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