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Is there a safe way that someone with a leg ulcer can use a swimming pool? My 87 yo father's only exercise is water walking in a pool and he has been told to stop while his wound is being treated.

Thanks,

Debra

 
To Whom it May Concern,

my nursing home facility undergoes routine (yearly) dept of health surveys.

Today's surveyor requested in writing, documentation to support the theory that an egg crate mattress liner in a reclining geri chair was appropriate for a Stage II sacral decubitus.

I discussed the situation with our wound care specialist who stated that an eggcrate liner can be used for pressure reduction in stage I and stage II. Pressure relief devices are used for stage III and stage IV ulcers.

The surveyor stated that a Stage II ulcer requires a pressure relief device in the chair.
( the resident has an air mattress on the bed), the surveyor would not go by a verbal explanation.

I am writing to you because I cannot find literature to support my therapeutic intervention.

Can you help me find the literature?

Thank you
Respectfully,
Dona H.,OTR
 
Immediately after surgery, 3 months ago, my scar (about 4 inches) looked tucked up and crooked and has healed thus. The lower part seemed attached and immoveable (stitched in position?) while the flesh above the scar seems to almost hang over (there has since been a crease above the scar) and it does not improve. Doc thinks muscle layer stitched up wrong, surgeon says he did op and his assistant stitched up afterwards... surgeon then went on holiday so I've only just seen him 3 months after. He agrees a problem and is putting me on a course of ultrasound treatments.... hoping to stave off corrective surgery. I'd like to know the value of the treatment this far down the line. Is it likely to achieve anything, could things be made any worse, what to expect etc. Would very much appreciate any comments, further recommended reading., anyone else's comments re post-operative treatment after this amount of time. I'm usually fit and slim, but this is ugly and does not seem to improve. etc. Please email. Dee  
I am a graduate nursing student doing reach on the prevalence of patient compliance and patient perceptions in wound care, are there some research articles conducted here in the US that you could suggest I read.

Gerrie
 
Can kerlix gauze and kling wrap be used interchangeably in a wound pack? I
did not think these are interchangeable products.
Kristen
 
I am a physical therapist with a son who recently had a subaecous cyst removed from his sacrum. The procedure is to excise the cyst (clearing an
area twice the size of the cyst) and leave the wound open for a 6 to 8 week time to allow scarring and avoid ingrown hair problems after it is healed. He was told to take soaks 4 times per day. Overnight after surgery he received IV antibiotics, nothing after that. He has a swimming pool in his backyard and the doctor told him he could soak there (no problem). He can't
sit ; only stand and lie down due to pain.

I work with wounds in LTC but this type of surgical wound is different for me. Is there any advice you can offer or pitfalls to watch for? I'm fearful of infection. He is one week post surgery.
Please reply,
Kay PT
 
Dear Sir or Madam,
I am a Community Nurse working for the East Kent Coastal NHS Trust in Kent, England. At present my practice for swabbing a wound that is displaying clinical signs of infection is to either rotate the swab stick in the surface exudate/discharge or, if their are other clinical signs but no discernible fluid of note, to squirt water for injection on the swab stick and rotate that at the wound site.
Today, a student who witnessed me doing the former, commented that she had read somewhere that the wound should be irrigated first to expose as near to the wound bed as possible before taking the swab sample.
I have been trying for over two hours of searching the Internet and have not found a research backed protocol.
Could you give me your comments on what you think is the 'right' way to swab for infection investigations.
I am fully aware of all conditions for taking a swab but it is the actual physical act of performing the task that I wish to clarify.
Thank you for your help
Denis (Nurse)
 
 I'm a staff nurse in acute care and am preparing for our JCAHO survey. I am looking for national dollar figures for healing different
stages of wounds. The information I have was for 2000 and I was wondering
if it had been updated so that I can update the information in our manuals.
The information that I presently have is:
$ 100.00 - Stage I
$ 2,500.00 - Stage II
$ 4,000.00 - Stage III
$ 5,600.00 - Stage III with Eschar
Are these figures still in the range of present day healing expense?
I wouldn't think so given inflation alone without consideration of nursing
time and hospital expenses.
Thank you, Terri
 

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A nurse by the name of Yvonne wrote in a few months ago, discussing some issues about nutrition. She has been kind enough to write a very detailed story about her experiences. It's worth the 15 minutes it will take to read it.  Click Here  
Hello,

I am doing some research into Wound Care and was wondering if you might be able to help me find out the number of patients world wide with chronic ulcers, burns, and pressure ulcers? Any additional information on other types of wounds would also be appreciated.

Thank you!

Colette
Hill-Rom just did an international prevalence study in April.

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Colette,

Hi, you ask a difficult question. I am currently living in Cambodia which is a third world country and I can tell you that there are most likely no statistics on wounds (besides maybe minor accident wounds) here b/c the health care system is not that organized. You may find statistics on TB or HIV but wound care is not a priority in places like this. Being that many places in the world are third world like here, you would need some very rough estimate. You may want to consider scaling down your search to places like Europe, North America, Japan, Korea, and Australia.

Good Luck,

Amy

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One starting place is the weblink below that gives
links to:

http://www.aawcone.com/aawcb/AAWCLINKS2.htm

I also recall that Prof. David Margolis at the Univ.
of Pennsylvania Medical School seemed to be in touch
with lots of statistics on wound issues.

Good luck,

Nathan H
Lafayette, CA
 

Has anyone got any information on the use of vac pac drainage systems in wound management. I am a 2nd year student nurse and was interested in doing an essay on vac pac verses the coventianal dressing can anyone help. I am also looking for any research reveiws that may have been carried out
Thanks
Student nurse P
KCL has a web site   www.woundvac.com

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I have had some experience with this on massive abdominal wounds that do not
heal well and on legs, having worked in Surgical Oncology and Major Plastics
and Burns. This device was not used often but was helpful in promoting
healing in wounds with excessive amounts of drainage; sometimes we just have
to try whatever resources may be available to us!

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i have used the vac pac quite a bit with patients both in the nursing home setting and at home. There are some stipulations to the vac dressing usage. ie; certain infections........osteomyelitis......they do reduce healing time significantly, and they have come out with portable units for easier ambulating and transferring.

Kim
LPN

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As a former patient with venous stasis ulcers, I can tell you that if we are talking about the same machine, then the wound vac is a God send. I have been getting ulcers on both of my ankles off and on for over 10 years. I have gone through every treatment from having the wound surgically debrieded to unna boots and every thing in-between. My wounds always had a hard time responding especially after it was discovered that I am allergic to many topical ointments because they contain parabens which is a preservative.
Last year, I had a wound that spread to about the size of a golf ball in diameter. My DR surgically cleaned out the wound due to a severe infection. I was put under general anesthesia. I was then put on the wound vac machine. Having had ulcers this large before, I knew I was looking at 6-9 months of healing that is often very painful. However, with the machine, this same wound healed in less than 3 months. Luckily for me, my insurance covered the machine at 100 %!
Hope this helped! Good Luck!

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Hi-

The V.A.C. stands for Vacuum Assisted Closure, and is available by KCI (San Antonio, TX). They have a wealth of information at www.kci1.com. They also
own the patent, so there is only one VAC. I did hear a rumor yesterday that another company has developed a similar device, and may be marketing it soon, however those claims are not validated.

It works on the basis of "negative pressure". Try "Acute and Chronic
Wounds, Second Edition" by Ruth Bryant for wound care information, along
with a pretty good description of the V.A.C.
Take care

JS

We are curretly using a product called "Blairex" It is sterile saline in a pressurized can.
Our nursing consultants doen't think we should be using this product.
The Blairex Co. has a letter from George T. Rodeheaver, PhD. (contributor to AHCPR. Dr. Rodeheaver writes, after testing the psi of the product, "These impact pressures are within the AHCRP recommended ranges for safety and efficacy of 4-15 psi.
Are you familiar with this product, and do you have any thoughts about its use.
Thank you for you time.
Donna W. DON
In regards to Blairex. I used it in Indiana in outpatient situations. It proves to be very cost effective because it does not expire until the date on the label. You will find your normal saline expire in 24 hours if used according to their standards.
JODY

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We use Wound Wash Saline which is similar. It is much cheaper and doesn't have to be discarded after 24 hours like a liter bottle of saline.
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Why don't they think it should be used? There are no preservatives, the pressures are appropriate (as you mentioned), it can be held at any angle and
work, and you don't need a separate syringe to get the spray. I use it all the time in my OP clinic. I love it.

Renee

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I am a medical supplier and send this product to many of my PPS HHA Nurses and they love it. The can keeps the contents sterile while also providing a way to govern the amount dispensed.

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In reference to the Blairex product. The standard for irrigation of wound is 8PSI. The Blairex product doesn't provide an indication of PSI as it varies by the amount of fluid in the container each time it is used. Also the product is one person use. You could get the same effect by using the "gold standard" of syringe and needle with sterile saline at a cheaper cost. Hope that answers your question. Janet, RN, MSN, CS

[Note: I contacted the manufacturer. They recommend 1 can of Blairex be used on a single patient due to the possibility of cross contamination from back splash - Dr. Allan Freedline]

 

Hello,
I am the concerned daughter of a 76 year old diabetic mother. For two weeks she has been feeling bad. It started with a sore throat, but no other symptoms came of it. (ie cold, flu, sniffles) She developed a fever 100, 101, 102, 102.6, 103. She was also nauseous, loss of appetite, sleepy, weak. It was a weekend and she was alert enough to say that she did not want to go to the hospital. I treated her with Tylenol and cool compress. The fever went down to 101. On Monday, she woke up with the fever of 103 again. She was too ill to go to doctor, yet she wouldn't let us call 911. I told our doctor what symptoms I knew about, he had me bring him back a urine sample, and proceeded to give us 1000 MG of Amoxicillan antibiotic. On Tuesday she was much better. She did, however complain of soreness in her belly. She is 303 lbs. and has a large, heavy "apron" of skin above her pubic area. Upon cleansing the lower half of her body, I came across a "hole" or "tear" in the crease between her lower belly and above her pubic area. This hole/tear was aprox. the size of a dime (maybe). Obviously it was tender to the touch and the fluid coming from the open wound was causing a "rash" or rawness from the moisture in this hot area. I have been cleansing it with "Baza Cleanse & Protect Dimethicone Skin Protectant Lotion" made by Sween, then using Zinc Oxide in the crease where rawness is, and then a piece of gauze with Neosporin across the open wound. My intention is to get her to the doctor next week once the holiday weekend is over. A photo is attached. I am searching your website in hopes of learning what more I can do, and what I should not do. I'm worried that things will get worse before they will get better.

Sincerely,
Carlena
Sounds almost like a fistula. Is it?

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Hi...I hope your mother is feeling better by now! It is imperative that she go to the doctor and have that wound treated by her physician. Some diabetics have their toenails cut by a podiatrist in order not to risk cutting themselves by doing it themselves. I have the same 'apron' of a belly since I had my child and I get the same rash. It is like a yeast infection. I treat mine with Lotrimin cream which can be bought over the counter now but I use it sparingly. However, I would consult her physician before using any topical salves because I don't know the condition of her skin or its breakdown. I hope my bit of advice helps. Take care and good luck!
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Hello! I'm sorry to hear about your mother. I am an ADON in a long-term care facility and deal with many wounds similar to what you have described. The information that you have given may indicate a yeast in the folds of her skin. She may need some nystatin cream or another antifungal medication and a clean towel or wash cloth tucked into the folds to keep the moisture from proliferating the infection. Does this area itch or have an odor? With the warm weather, yeast loves this type of environment. Wash all skin folds and dry twice a day. Apply clean towels with each washing and change as needed. Her physician can order an antifungal for her. Good luck!!
Cindy

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it is unfortunate that your mother has an open area in the skinfold but I have found that when the skin is red here it is ususally due to heat and perspiration and a fungal infection can quickly start if it is not kept very
clean and dry; also, the redness in her skinfolds can spread quickly; after the open area is healed I would wash and dry inbetween the skinfolds twice a
day and if it gets red with a raised rash use an antifungal ointment; the tenderness is quickly relieved and it heals quickly.

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Carlena,

Tears in the skin in the abdominal fold is common in persons who are obese and even more common in diabetic women. Here are some preventative tips that can help keep this from happenig again. Since that area is dark and moist which is the optimal enviornment for bacterial and fungal grow you need to tackle that first. Lanaseptic ointment is fabulous for resolving skin irritations and you don't have to have a prescription for it. Next go to your local department store and get you a pack of about a dozen all cotten cloth diapers. Yeah you read it right, our mothers had one of the best anti moisture super absorbent solutions on the market. You take the diaper and fold it length wise and lay in the abdominal fold and change every 2 hours til rash and irritation is resolved and then for prevention, use routinely or when the weather is the hottest and she is more likely to persipire. This also works real well under heavy breasts where irritation and frequent yeasty beasties creep up. Good luck.........Jan

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Dear Carlena:

You have the right idea about protecting the open area in the fold of your mother apron abdomen. This area as well as any fold of excess skin and under the breasts is also quite prone to developing a fungal infection. Nystatin powder works great but it can sometimes roll up into globs when mixed with perspiration. I have found that mixing the Nystatin with Zinc Oxide into a gritty cream and applying liberally to all folds will help prevent further problems nad assist in healing. There is also a cream called Critic Aid out there that works very well also.

Good luck:
Becky M.  RN,BSN,CWS

I am a Registered Nurse new to wound care (7 months)working in an out-patient wound clinic. I am a member of WOCN. What publications do you suggest me subscribe to for general wound information and CEU's? I want to become certified eventually. Any advice appreciated.
Thankyou,
Carol 
You already get JWOCN. I also recommend Ostomy/Wound Management, Wounds, and
Advances in Skin and Wound Care. Advances and O/WM have CEU articles in them often. I also suggest you join the Association for the Advancement of Wound Care www.aawc1.org. You will get O/WM or Wounds for free, a large discount on
the Symposium on Advanced Wound Care in the spring, and many other member benefits.

Renee C., MSPT, MPH, CWS

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I recommend both Ostomy Wound Management and Wounds.
Both are published by HMP communications. You can
also subscribe to Advances in Skin and Wound Care.
All offer CEUs in various issues. As you have
probably seen, the JWOCN currently does not offer CEUs (I've complained about this). You can also join a
local WOCN chapter if one is available and attend
meetings that may offer CEUs. The various product
companies also offer programs that offer CEUs (you can contact Johnson & Johnson, Smith & Nephew, Convatec, etc).

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Regarding Carol,
I am suggesting a Symposium....SAWC...Symposium on Advanced Wound Care. It is usuallly in May or June. It will keep you up to date too.
JODY

At our facility we have a quadreplegic that is having problems with the back of his scrotum. He has a stage 2 area, mainly caused from the pulling of the lift seat and his refusal to lay down during the day to get off his bottom. We have used dacens, fibracol, allcare. and a few other treatments also used duoderm at first. the wound heals to almost closed then it pops ruight back open. any suggestions?
April RN
 
It probably keeps recurring because of the ongoing pressure. Is he on a pressure reducing cushion? Is he using a hoyer lift to transfer? If he is, and he he sits on the sling, the edge of the open ring may be putting extra pressure right there, and it reduces the pressure reduction of any surface.  Some kind of scrotal support may keep it off the chair, reducing the pressure
on one small area, and distribute the pressure over the whole area.

Keep with moist wound healing. Avoid the Dakin's.

Renee C., MSPT, MPH, CWS

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Well there are a few factors that might be taken into account for this patient:

Assuming that the wound is clean and has a granular tissue bed, you can use a scrotal support after dressing this wound with something like xenaderm or
tegaderm wih alginate and triple antibiotic.

Is he in his sexual reproductive years or beyond, it seems drastic but castration is an extreme option if the later is the case.

G.R.
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Sounds like you should screen him for MRSA in the wound, perhaps arrange some further imaging of the area like a CT or MRI scan to rule out a sinus and get some advice on changing the eqipment like the hoist and seating he's using

Good Luck

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Hi April,
It appears that shear is a cofactor in this particular instance, and is in a tough spot to treat. I wouldn't recommend Dakin's (unless 0.025% or less
and for a two-week trial basis only if the wound appears infected). The hydocolloid "Duoderm" may have a tendency to roll and bunch up. Try having
therapy create or purchase a wedge to assist in pressure management and prevent sliding. Also, consider a cream based zinc-oxide (only if the wound
is superficial), and apply throughout the day. Once healed, perhaps a transparent film dressing wound prevent friction to the area to keep it from re-opening.
Take care-
John S.

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For superficial open red area to the scrotum I would use some Critic Aid Paste it keeps the open area coated better then a regular moisture barrier type cream..It has worked wonderful for my residents. Hope this info helps.
unsigned

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Dakens is cytotokic to new cell growth and kills all new cells indiscriminately.

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Tell him to heal it by staying off it. I've had sores in the ischial area on ad off for 6 years I'm an extremely active 56yr old quad and these sores have substantially affected my ability to work, get out, interact with my kids, etc. He sounds young and stubborn, just as I was. Now, I have committed to healing the latest wound I have, I am on a wound vac and am staying off it 20 - 24 hrs/day. I don't like it but experience is a good teacher. Best of luck to you and your patient.

My mother is wheelchair bound and is showing signs of press ulcer at heel. I need to buy a protective heel pad/shoe. Do you recommend any brands or medical supply companies or any creams.

your advice would be highly appreciated.

Navi

Hi,

Stay away from Prafo or Multi-Podus, unless a professional is going to measure your lower extremity. The Waffle Boot and HeelLift boots are OK.
The Waffle Boot may get warm because it is plastic, and the HeelLift may contain odors because it is high-resilience foam. Try to stay away from "Heel-Bo" and other padded socks that only help with friction, because there is no "off-loading" of the heel.

For creams, best bet is to leave it alone. If there is underlying damage to the tissues, then any "rubbing" may cause further damage. Just protect from
further damage, and you will have a better chance of non-recurrence.

Hope this helps
John S.

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There is a type of pressure relieving boot which is great, as the heel doesn't
touch anything, but if she fidgets or has an ankle contracture, it could be
more harmful than helpful. In the bed, the boots could work, with the same
cautions. Also, there's a product called the heelzup, which is a cushion with
side bolsters to keep her heels elevated. http://intensivetherapeutics.homestead.com/index.html

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Hi,

One of the most simple devices to get pressure off a heel is a Multi-podus boot, or something like it (Ali-Med company sells a generic for less, also check Sammons-Preston company). These boots can be worn in bed, and some have a sole that can be attached for walking. However, dont use them to walk much!! Medicare will not cover the cost.

Vicki, MSPT, CWS

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The pressure sore is most likely not from when your mom is sitting up in the chair but from the time she is spending in bed.Instead of spending alot of
money try using pillows to float your moms feet off the bed when laying down.They should be just high enough so that you can slid your hand under
her feet.Also, keep soft slippers on when up in W/C and be sure positioning is good so that heels are not pressing against W/C pedals when sitting
up.Hope this helps.
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Spray the heels with Granulex to increase circulation and toughen the skin. Also you may use Moon Boots when she is in bed. They are a thick soft quilted boot that prevent pressure

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an off loading shoe,,from any diabetic or orthopedic supply company

Dear Sirs:

I am an occupational therapist and practiced hand & UE trauma rehab for approximately 20 years. Most of the type of patients I treat are amputations, reimplantations, burns, infections, etc.......... I have provided wound care for all these years under the dirtection of the hand surgeons. As I was seeing who could get certified in wound care, why are OT / hand therapist not included....... A physical therapy assistant can become certified yet not an OT who has been specialized for several years.


Sonia
Why do you think OTs can't be certified? Go to www.aawm.org. The levels of certification are based on your degree. When listing examples of
professionals, they all say "and other healthcare professionals." You certainly can apply for certification and sit for the exam if you meet the other criteria. Go to the website and explore it, request materials, and ask them whatever questions you have about the certification.

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Actually, Sonia, please visit the American Academy of Wound Management website. AAWM is an organization that certifies healthcare professionals as Certified Wound Specialists (CWS). They have an intensive national boards exam given about twice a year. Go to AAWM.org for more info. There are OT's that have earned their CWS designation.

Evelyn

I attended a wound care conference last year in MD at one of the booths there was a company offering a Thermal Imaging Device.

I'm trying to find out the name/manufactor of this device. Any ideas?

Also looking for something called MIRE.

Thanks
Frank

The MIRE is monochromatic infrared energy. The Anodyne is the device. www.anodynetherapy.com

Renee C., MSPT, MPH, CWS

 

why do doctors choose to use staples over sutures?

Robin

Staples – used to close large incisions in a timely manner....its faster to close a large area using the staple device.
Sutures - are used for small incisions like incisions on the face, incisions from skin lesion excisions, incisions requiring multiple layers of closure
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it's much quicker to use the staples there's no other reason

Since wound care is part of the Physical Therapist's practice act - do you have any idea re Medicare's views i.e. on having a P.T. (instead of a RN in some cases) performing wound care on a homebound patient - especially considering the fact this could possibly generate a "high therapy variance"
and therefore be cause for generating an increased payment from Medicare. -I
look forward to hearing back from you. Thanks!

Ed

Hello Ed,

I have done home care for nearly 3 years, and have done lots of wound care as a CWS therapist. As far as I know, we have never been denied payment for my services to provide wound care, as long as there is an MD order for PT to do the care, and there is good documentation of the need for skilled services/skilled dressing changes. We have claimed therapy threshold met for more than 10 visits on some patients, again I believe without problems. One of the things I have been hearing as a rumor from the CMS is that they will look at the therapy practice acts on a state-by-state basis, so if your state specifies wound care as a specific PT skill, you will be more apt to successfully get reimbursed.

Vicki, MSPT, CWS
I was curious to know what type of education you needed to become a wound care specialist. Do you have to become a physical therapist, nurse or other professional before you can become a wound care specialist? Is one profession preferable over another profession when deciding to become a wound care specialist? Thank you.

Sincerely

Robert S.
It sounds like you are not currently a health professional, but looking to become one in order to do wound care. Is that right? Wound care
professionals can be an MD/DO, DPM, PT, PTA, COTA, RN, LVN/LPN, NP. I suggest you look into all of those and see which one suits you best, in terms
of education required, scope of practice, and the other types of things that profession does. Then, pursue that path. If you are already a health professional, then go to www.aawm.org, and see what the requirements for
certification are.

Renee C., MSPT, MPH, CWS

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Hello,

As far as the CWS certification from the American Academy of Wound Management goes, you can find out the different levels of certification on their website at aawm.org.

Vicki, MSPT, CWS

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There are several different organizations that certify you as a "wound specialist". But yes, most if not all are geared towards health care professionals. There is one exception I can think of. The AAWM (American Academy of Wound Management) did certify someone who has a PhD in chemistry. Why? Because she has been instrumental in developing many wound dressings and ointments. Although she is not a nurse, MD or therapist, she has a lot of experience in this field, plus in order to get certified, you must pass a national boards exam. visit AAWM.org for more info.


Evelyn C.  MPT, CWS

   

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