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| Is
there a safe way that someone with a leg ulcer can use a swimming pool? My
87 yo father's only exercise is water walking in a pool and he has been told
to stop while his wound is being treated.
Thanks,
Debra |
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To
Whom it May Concern,
my nursing home facility undergoes routine (yearly) dept of health surveys.
Today's surveyor requested in writing, documentation to support the theory
that an egg crate mattress liner in a reclining geri chair was appropriate
for a Stage II sacral decubitus.
I discussed the situation with our wound care specialist who stated that an
eggcrate liner can be used for pressure reduction in stage I and stage II.
Pressure relief devices are used for stage III and stage IV ulcers.
The surveyor stated that a Stage II ulcer requires a pressure relief device
in the chair.
( the resident has an air mattress on the bed), the surveyor would not go by
a verbal explanation.
I am writing to you because I cannot find literature to support my
therapeutic intervention.
Can you help me find the literature?
Thank you
Respectfully,
Dona H.,OTR |
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Immediately after surgery, 3 months ago, my scar (about 4 inches) looked
tucked up and crooked and has healed thus. The lower part seemed attached
and immoveable (stitched in position?) while the flesh above the scar seems
to almost hang over (there has since been a crease above the scar) and it
does not improve. Doc thinks muscle layer stitched up wrong, surgeon says he
did op and his assistant stitched up afterwards... surgeon then went on
holiday so I've only just seen him 3 months after. He agrees a problem and
is putting me on a course of ultrasound treatments.... hoping to stave off
corrective surgery. I'd like to know the value of the treatment this far
down the line. Is it likely to achieve anything, could things be made any
worse, what to expect etc. Would very much appreciate any comments, further
recommended reading., anyone else's comments re post-operative treatment
after this amount of time. I'm usually fit and slim, but this is ugly and
does not seem to improve. etc. Please email. Dee |
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I am a
graduate nursing student doing reach on the prevalence of patient compliance
and patient perceptions in wound care, are there some research articles
conducted here in the US that you could suggest I read.
Gerrie |
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Can
kerlix gauze and kling wrap be used interchangeably in a wound pack? I
did not think these are interchangeable products.
Kristen |
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I am a
physical therapist with a son who recently had a subaecous cyst
removed from his sacrum. The procedure is to excise the cyst (clearing an
area twice the size of the cyst) and leave the wound open for a 6 to 8 week
time to allow scarring and avoid ingrown hair problems after it is healed.
He was told to take soaks 4 times per day. Overnight after surgery he
received IV antibiotics, nothing after that. He has a swimming pool in his
backyard and the doctor told him he could soak there (no problem). He can't
sit ; only stand and lie down due to pain.
I work with wounds in LTC but this type of surgical wound is different for
me. Is there any advice you can offer or pitfalls to watch for? I'm fearful
of infection. He is one week post surgery.
Please reply,
Kay PT |
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Dear
Sir or Madam,
I am a Community Nurse working for the East Kent Coastal NHS Trust in Kent,
England. At present my practice for swabbing a wound that is displaying
clinical signs of infection is to either rotate the swab stick in the
surface exudate/discharge or, if their are other clinical signs but no
discernible fluid of note, to squirt water for injection on the swab stick
and rotate that at the wound site.
Today, a student who witnessed me doing the former, commented that she had
read somewhere that the wound should be irrigated first to expose as near to
the wound bed as possible before taking the swab sample.
I have been trying for over two hours of searching the Internet and have not
found a research backed protocol.
Could you give me your comments on what you think is the 'right' way to swab
for infection investigations.
I am fully aware of all conditions for taking a swab but it is the actual
physical act of performing the task that I wish to clarify.
Thank you for your help
Denis (Nurse) |
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I'm
a staff nurse in acute care and am preparing for our JCAHO survey. I am
looking for national dollar figures for healing different
stages of wounds. The information I have was for 2000 and I was wondering
if it had been updated so that I can update the information in our manuals.
The information that I presently have is:
$ 100.00 - Stage I
$ 2,500.00 - Stage II
$ 4,000.00 - Stage III
$ 5,600.00 - Stage III with Eschar
Are these figures still in the range of present day healing expense?
I wouldn't think so given inflation alone without consideration of nursing
time and hospital expenses.
Thank you, Terri |
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| A
nurse by the name of Yvonne wrote in a few months ago, discussing some
issues about nutrition. She has been kind enough to write a very detailed
story about her experiences. It's worth the 15 minutes it will take to read
it. Click Here |
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Hello,
I am doing some research into Wound Care and was wondering if you might be
able to help me find out the number of patients world wide with chronic
ulcers, burns, and pressure ulcers? Any additional information on other
types of wounds would also be appreciated.
Thank you!
Colette |
Hill-Rom just did an international prevalence study in April.
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Colette,
Hi, you ask a difficult question. I am currently living in Cambodia which is
a third world country and I can tell you that there are most likely no
statistics on wounds (besides maybe minor accident wounds) here b/c the
health care system is not that organized. You may find statistics on TB or
HIV but wound care is not a priority in places like this. Being that many
places in the world are third world like here, you would need some very
rough estimate. You may want to consider scaling down your search to places
like Europe, North America, Japan, Korea, and Australia.
Good Luck,
Amy
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One starting place is the weblink below that gives
links to:
http://www.aawcone.com/aawcb/AAWCLINKS2.htm
I also recall that Prof. David Margolis at the Univ.
of Pennsylvania Medical School seemed to be in touch
with lots of statistics on wound issues.
Good luck,
Nathan H
Lafayette, CA
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Has
anyone got any information on the use of vac pac drainage systems in wound
management. I am a 2nd year student nurse and was interested in doing an
essay on vac pac verses the coventianal dressing can anyone help. I am also
looking for any research reveiws that may have been carried out
Thanks
Student nurse P |
KCL
has a web site www.woundvac.com
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I have had some experience with this on
massive abdominal wounds that do not
heal well and on legs, having worked in Surgical Oncology and Major Plastics
and Burns. This device was not used often but was helpful in promoting
healing in wounds with excessive amounts of drainage; sometimes we just have
to try whatever resources may be available to us!
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i have used the vac pac quite a bit with
patients both in the nursing home setting and at home. There are some
stipulations to the vac dressing usage. ie; certain infections........osteomyelitis......they
do reduce healing time significantly, and they have come out with portable
units for easier ambulating and transferring.
Kim
LPN
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As a former patient with venous stasis
ulcers, I can tell you that if we are talking about the same machine, then
the wound vac is a God send. I have been getting ulcers on both of my ankles
off and on for over 10 years. I have gone through every treatment from
having the wound surgically debrieded to unna boots and every thing
in-between. My wounds always had a hard time responding especially after it
was discovered that I am allergic to many topical ointments because they
contain parabens which is a preservative.
Last year, I had a wound that spread to about the size of a golf ball in
diameter. My DR surgically cleaned out the wound due to a severe infection.
I was put under general anesthesia. I was then put on the wound vac machine.
Having had ulcers this large before, I knew I was looking at 6-9 months of
healing that is often very painful. However, with the machine, this same
wound healed in less than 3 months. Luckily for me, my insurance covered the
machine at 100 %!
Hope this helped! Good Luck!
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Hi-
The V.A.C. stands for Vacuum Assisted Closure, and is available by KCI (San
Antonio, TX). They have a wealth of information at www.kci1.com. They also
own the patent, so there is only one VAC. I did hear a rumor yesterday that
another company has developed a similar device, and may be marketing it
soon, however those claims are not validated.
It works on the basis of "negative pressure". Try "Acute and Chronic
Wounds, Second Edition" by Ruth Bryant for wound care information, along
with a pretty good description of the V.A.C.
Take care
JS |
We are
curretly using a product called "Blairex" It is sterile saline in a
pressurized can.
Our nursing consultants doen't think we should be using this product.
The Blairex Co. has a letter from George T. Rodeheaver, PhD. (contributor to
AHCPR. Dr. Rodeheaver writes, after testing the psi of the product, "These
impact pressures are within the AHCRP recommended ranges for safety and
efficacy of 4-15 psi.
Are you familiar with this product, and do you have any thoughts about its
use.
Thank you for you time.
Donna W. DON |
In
regards to Blairex. I used it in Indiana in outpatient situations. It proves
to be very cost effective because it does not expire until the date on the
label. You will find your normal saline expire in 24 hours if used
according to their standards.
JODY---
We use Wound Wash Saline which is similar. It
is much cheaper and doesn't have to be discarded after 24 hours like a liter
bottle of saline.
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Why don't they think it should be used? There
are no preservatives, the pressures are appropriate (as you mentioned), it
can be held at any angle and
work, and you don't need a separate syringe to get the spray. I use it all
the time in my OP clinic. I love it.
Renee
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I am a medical supplier and send this product
to many of my PPS HHA Nurses and they love it. The can keeps the contents
sterile while also providing a way to govern the amount dispensed.
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In reference to the Blairex product. The
standard for irrigation of wound is 8PSI. The Blairex product doesn't
provide an indication of PSI as it
varies by the amount of fluid in the container each time it is used. Also
the product is one person use. You could get the same effect by using the
"gold standard" of syringe and needle with sterile saline at a cheaper cost.
Hope that answers your question. Janet, RN, MSN, CS
[Note: I contacted the manufacturer. They
recommend 1 can of Blairex be used on a single patient due to the
possibility of cross contamination from back splash - Dr. Allan Freedline]
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Hello,
I am the concerned daughter of a 76 year old diabetic mother. For two weeks
she has been feeling bad. It started with a sore throat, but no other
symptoms came of it. (ie cold, flu, sniffles) She developed a fever 100,
101, 102, 102.6, 103. She was also nauseous, loss of appetite, sleepy, weak.
It was a weekend and she was alert enough to say that she did not want to go
to the hospital. I treated her with Tylenol and cool compress. The fever
went down to 101. On Monday, she woke up with the fever of 103 again. She
was too ill to go to doctor, yet she wouldn't let us call 911. I told our
doctor what symptoms I knew about, he had me bring him back a urine sample,
and proceeded to give us 1000 MG of Amoxicillan antibiotic. On Tuesday she
was much better. She did, however complain of soreness in her belly. She is
303 lbs. and has a large, heavy "apron" of skin above her pubic area. Upon
cleansing the lower half of her body, I came across a "hole" or "tear" in
the crease between her lower belly and above her pubic area. This hole/tear
was aprox. the size of a dime (maybe). Obviously it was tender to the touch
and the fluid coming from the open wound was causing a "rash" or rawness
from the moisture in this hot area. I have been cleansing it with "Baza
Cleanse & Protect Dimethicone Skin Protectant Lotion" made by Sween, then
using Zinc Oxide in the crease where rawness is, and then a piece of gauze
with Neosporin across the open wound. My intention is to get her to the
doctor next week once the holiday weekend is over. A photo is attached. I am
searching your website in hopes of learning what more I can do, and what I
should not do. I'm worried that things will get worse before they will get
better.
Sincerely,
Carlena |
Sounds
almost like a fistula. Is it? ----
Hi...I hope your mother is feeling better by now! It is imperative that she
go to the doctor and have that wound treated by her physician. Some
diabetics have their toenails cut by a podiatrist in order not to risk
cutting themselves by doing it themselves. I have the same 'apron' of a
belly since I had my child and I get the same rash. It is like a yeast
infection. I treat mine with Lotrimin cream which can be bought over the
counter now but I use it sparingly. However, I would consult her physician
before using any topical salves because I don't know the condition of her
skin or its breakdown. I hope my bit of advice helps. Take care and good
luck!
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Hello! I'm sorry to hear about your mother. I
am an ADON in a long-term care facility and deal with many wounds similar to
what you have described. The information that you have given may indicate a
yeast in the folds of her skin. She may need some nystatin cream or another
antifungal medication and a clean towel or wash cloth tucked into the folds
to keep the moisture from proliferating the infection. Does this area itch
or have an odor? With the warm weather, yeast loves this type of
environment. Wash all skin folds and dry twice a day. Apply clean towels
with each washing and change as needed. Her physician can order an
antifungal for her. Good luck!!
Cindy
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it is unfortunate that your mother has an
open area in the skinfold but I
have found that when the skin is red here it is ususally due to heat and
perspiration and a fungal infection can quickly start if it is not kept very
clean and dry; also, the redness in her skinfolds can spread quickly; after
the open area is healed I would wash and dry inbetween the skinfolds twice a
day and if it gets red with a raised rash use an antifungal ointment; the
tenderness is quickly relieved and it heals quickly.
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Carlena,
Tears in the skin in the abdominal fold is common in persons who are obese
and even more common in diabetic women. Here are some preventative tips that
can help keep this from happenig again. Since that area is dark and moist
which is the optimal enviornment for bacterial and fungal grow you need to
tackle that first. Lanaseptic ointment is fabulous for resolving skin
irritations and you don't have to have a prescription for it. Next go to
your local department store and get you a pack of about a dozen all cotten
cloth diapers. Yeah you read it right, our mothers had one of the best anti
moisture super absorbent solutions on the market. You take the diaper and
fold it length wise and lay in the abdominal fold and change every 2 hours
til rash and irritation is resolved and then for prevention, use routinely
or when the weather is the hottest and she is more likely to persipire. This
also works real well under heavy breasts where irritation and frequent
yeasty beasties creep up. Good luck.........Jan
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Dear
Carlena:
You have the right idea about protecting the open area in the fold of your
mother apron abdomen. This area as well as any fold of excess skin and under
the breasts is also quite prone to developing a fungal infection. Nystatin
powder works great but it can sometimes roll up into globs when mixed with
perspiration. I have found that mixing the Nystatin with Zinc Oxide into a
gritty cream and applying liberally to all folds will help prevent further
problems nad assist in healing. There is also a cream called Critic Aid out
there that works very well also.
Good luck:
Becky M. RN,BSN,CWS |
I am a
Registered Nurse new to wound care (7 months)working in an out-patient wound
clinic. I am a member of WOCN. What publications do you suggest me subscribe
to for general wound information and CEU's? I want to become certified
eventually. Any advice appreciated.
Thankyou,
Carol |
You
already get JWOCN. I also recommend Ostomy/Wound Management, Wounds, and
Advances in Skin and Wound Care. Advances and O/WM have CEU articles in them
often. I also suggest you join the Association for the Advancement of Wound
Care www.aawc1.org. You will get O/WM or Wounds for free, a large discount
on
the Symposium on Advanced Wound Care in the spring, and many other member
benefits.
Renee C., MSPT, MPH, CWS---
I recommend both Ostomy Wound Management and
Wounds.
Both are published by HMP communications. You can
also subscribe to Advances in Skin and Wound Care.
All offer CEUs in various issues. As you have
probably seen, the JWOCN currently does not offer CEUs
(I've complained about this). You can also join a
local WOCN chapter if one is available and attend
meetings that may offer CEUs. The various product
companies also offer programs that offer CEUs (you can
contact Johnson & Johnson, Smith & Nephew, Convatec,
etc).
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Regarding Carol,
I am suggesting a Symposium....SAWC...Symposium on Advanced Wound Care. It
is usuallly in May or June. It will keep you up to date too.
JODY |
At our
facility we have a quadreplegic that is having problems with the back of his
scrotum. He has a stage 2 area, mainly caused from the pulling of the lift
seat and his refusal to lay down during the day to get off his bottom. We
have used dacens, fibracol, allcare. and a few other treatments also used
duoderm at first. the wound heals to almost closed then it pops ruight back
open. any suggestions?
April RN
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It
probably keeps recurring because of the ongoing pressure. Is he on a
pressure reducing cushion? Is he using a hoyer lift to transfer? If he is,
and he he sits on the sling, the edge of the open ring may be putting extra
pressure right there, and it reduces the pressure reduction of any surface.
Some kind of scrotal support may keep it off the chair, reducing the
pressure
on one small area, and distribute the pressure over the whole area.
Keep with moist wound healing. Avoid the Dakin's.
Renee C., MSPT, MPH, CWS---
Well there are a few factors that might be
taken into account for this
patient:
Assuming that the wound is clean and has a granular tissue bed, you can use
a scrotal support after dressing this wound with something like xenaderm or
tegaderm wih alginate and triple antibiotic.
Is he in his sexual reproductive years or beyond, it seems drastic but
castration is an extreme option if the later is the case.
G.R.
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Sounds like you should screen him for MRSA in
the wound, perhaps arrange some further imaging of the area like a CT or MRI
scan to rule out a sinus and get some advice on changing the eqipment like
the hoist and seating he's using
Good Luck
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Hi April,
It appears that shear is a cofactor in this particular instance, and is in a
tough spot to treat. I wouldn't recommend Dakin's (unless 0.025% or less
and for a two-week trial basis only if the wound appears infected). The
hydocolloid "Duoderm" may have a tendency to roll and bunch up. Try having
therapy create or purchase a wedge to assist in pressure management and
prevent sliding. Also, consider a cream based zinc-oxide (only if the wound
is superficial), and apply throughout the day. Once healed, perhaps a
transparent film dressing wound prevent friction to the area to keep it from
re-opening.
Take care-
John S.
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For superficial open red area to the scrotum
I would use some Critic Aid
Paste it keeps the open area coated better then a regular moisture barrier
type cream..It has worked wonderful for my residents. Hope this info helps.
unsigned
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Dakens is cytotokic to new cell growth and
kills all new cells indiscriminately.
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Tell him to heal it by staying off it. I've
had sores in the ischial area on ad off for 6 years I'm an extremely active
56yr old quad and these sores have substantially affected my ability to
work, get out, interact with my kids, etc. He sounds young and stubborn,
just as I was. Now, I have committed to healing the latest wound I have, I
am on a wound vac and am staying off it 20 - 24 hrs/day. I don't like it but
experience is a good teacher. Best of luck to you and your patient. |
My
mother is wheelchair bound and is showing signs of press ulcer at heel. I
need to buy a protective heel pad/shoe. Do you recommend any brands or
medical supply companies or any creams.
your advice would be highly appreciated.
Navi |
Hi,
Stay away from Prafo or Multi-Podus, unless a professional is going to
measure your lower extremity. The Waffle Boot and HeelLift boots are OK.
The Waffle Boot may get warm because it is plastic, and the HeelLift may
contain odors because it is high-resilience foam. Try to stay away from
"Heel-Bo" and other padded socks that only help with friction, because there
is no "off-loading" of the heel.
For creams, best bet is to leave it alone. If there is underlying damage to
the tissues, then any "rubbing" may cause further damage. Just protect from
further damage, and you will have a better chance of non-recurrence.
Hope this helps
John S.---
There is a type of pressure relieving boot
which is great, as the heel doesn't
touch anything, but if she fidgets or has an ankle contracture, it could be
more harmful than helpful. In the bed, the boots could work, with the same
cautions. Also, there's a product called the heelzup, which is a cushion
with
side bolsters to keep her heels elevated.
http://intensivetherapeutics.homestead.com/index.html
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Hi,
One of the most simple devices to get pressure off a heel is a Multi-podus
boot, or something like it (Ali-Med company sells a generic for less, also
check Sammons-Preston company). These boots can be worn in bed, and some
have a sole that can be attached for walking. However, dont use them to walk
much!! Medicare will not cover the cost.
Vicki, MSPT, CWS
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The pressure sore is most likely not from
when your mom is sitting up in the
chair but from the time she is spending in bed.Instead of spending alot of
money try using pillows to float your moms feet off the bed when laying
down.They should be just high enough so that you can slid your hand under
her feet.Also, keep soft slippers on when up in W/C and be sure positioning
is good so that heels are not pressing against W/C pedals when sitting
up.Hope this helps.
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Spray the heels with Granulex to increase
circulation and toughen the skin. Also you may use Moon Boots when she is in
bed. They are a thick soft quilted boot that prevent pressure
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an off loading shoe,,from any diabetic or
orthopedic supply company |
Dear
Sirs:
I am an occupational therapist and practiced hand & UE trauma rehab for
approximately 20 years. Most of the type of patients I treat are
amputations, reimplantations, burns, infections, etc.......... I have
provided wound care for all these years under the dirtection of the hand
surgeons. As I was seeing who could get certified in wound care, why are OT
/ hand therapist not included....... A physical therapy assistant can become
certified yet not an OT who has been specialized for several years.
Sonia |
Why do
you think OTs can't be certified? Go to www.aawm.org. The levels of
certification are based on your degree. When listing examples of
professionals, they all say "and other healthcare professionals." You
certainly can apply for certification and sit for the exam if you meet the
other criteria. Go to the website and explore it, request materials, and ask
them whatever questions you have about the certification.
---
Actually, Sonia, please visit the American
Academy of Wound Management website. AAWM is an organization that certifies
healthcare professionals as Certified Wound Specialists (CWS). They have an
intensive national boards exam given about twice a year. Go to AAWM.org for
more info. There are OT's that have earned their CWS designation.
Evelyn |
I attended a wound care conference
last year in MD at one of the booths there was a company offering a Thermal
Imaging Device.
I'm trying to find out the name/manufactor of this device. Any ideas?
Also looking for something called MIRE.
Thanks
Frank |
The
MIRE is monochromatic infrared energy. The Anodyne is the device.
www.anodynetherapy.com
Renee C., MSPT, MPH, CWS |
| why do
doctors choose to use staples over sutures?
Robin |
Staples – used to close large incisions in a timely manner....its faster to
close a large area using the staple device.
Sutures - are used for small incisions like incisions on the face, incisions
from skin lesion excisions, incisions requiring multiple layers of closure
---it's much quicker to use the
staples there's no other reason |
Since
wound care is part of the Physical Therapist's practice act - do you have
any idea re Medicare's views i.e. on having a P.T. (instead of a RN in some
cases) performing wound care on a homebound patient - especially considering
the fact this could possibly generate a "high therapy variance"
and therefore be cause for generating an increased payment from Medicare. -I
look forward to hearing back from you. Thanks!
Ed |
Hello
Ed,
I have done home care for nearly 3 years, and have done lots of wound care
as a CWS therapist. As far as I know, we have never been denied payment for
my services to provide wound care, as long as there is an MD order for PT to
do the care, and there is good documentation of the need for skilled
services/skilled dressing changes. We have claimed therapy threshold met for
more than 10 visits on some patients, again I believe without problems. One
of the things I have been hearing as a rumor from the CMS is that they will
look at the therapy practice acts on a state-by-state basis, so if your
state specifies wound care as a specific PT skill, you will be more apt to
successfully get reimbursed.
Vicki, MSPT, CWS |
I was
curious to know what type of education you needed to become a wound care
specialist. Do you have to become a physical therapist, nurse or other
professional before you can become a wound care specialist? Is one
profession preferable over another profession when deciding to become a
wound care specialist? Thank you.
Sincerely
Robert S. |
It
sounds like you are not currently a health professional, but looking to
become one in order to do wound care. Is that right? Wound care
professionals can be an MD/DO, DPM, PT, PTA, COTA, RN, LVN/LPN, NP. I
suggest you look into all of those and see which one suits you best, in
terms
of education required, scope of practice, and the other types of things that
profession does. Then, pursue that path. If you are already a health
professional, then go to www.aawm.org, and see what the requirements for
certification are.
Renee C., MSPT, MPH, CWS---
Hello,
As far as the CWS certification from the American Academy of Wound
Management goes, you can find out the different levels of certification on
their website at aawm.org.
Vicki, MSPT, CWS
---
There are several different organizations
that certify you as a "wound specialist". But yes, most if not all are
geared towards health care professionals. There is one exception I can think
of. The AAWM (American Academy of Wound Management) did certify someone who
has a PhD in chemistry. Why? Because she has been instrumental in developing
many wound dressings and ointments. Although she is not a nurse, MD or
therapist, she has a lot of experience in this field, plus in order to get
certified, you must pass a national boards exam. visit AAWM.org for more
info.
Evelyn C. MPT, CWS |
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