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I have had a venous ulcer on my left leg above my ankle for over a year now. I am seeing two doctors for this. One is a infection doctor and the other is a plastic surgeon. I had surgery on my leg to debre the wound and they put a vac on my leg to keep the fluid off my leg and to try and get my leg a beet red color so they could do a skin graff and close the wound up. Well for some reason the vac broke the skin open and the vac and now it is draining from that area also. They said this is the first time they have ever seen this happen. They are almost out of ideas of what to do for me. If you have any answers for me please let me know. I am getting so discourage over this. I have not been able to do anything with my grandchildren. So if you have any answers for me please help me. My name is Linda and my email is lrm4854@bright.net

I live in Alger Ohio 45812 Thank you so very much.

Have you ever had compression on our leg? That's the key thing to healing venous ulcers. See someone who understands venous ulcers, have them check your blood flow into your leg (arterial circulation), then start you in compression, such as a multi-layer wrap. Not every physician is a wound specialist. Try www.wocn.org or www.aawm.org for
specialists.

Renee C., MSPT, MPH, CWS

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Dear Linda:

I am sorry about your ulcer. It sounds like a chronic problem with the deep valves in your ankle are faulty and allowing reflux of venous blood into the superficial skin. Have your doctors try using Profor dressing changes with Iodosorb Gel? I have successfully used this in many lower extremity venous ulcers followed by some form of either Regranex or Apligraf or similar products. Keeping your leg about 18 cm above your heart level seem like the best height for leg elevation. Seems like the Iodosorb gel (a cadexamer iodine have significant antimicrobial activity, stimulate formation of granulation tissue, promote wound healing with minimal side effects. Best to you.

Dan Klein, DPM, CWS

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Have you ever had surgery to your abdomen or leg . or a broken bone in your leg or abdomen. You could have a problem with the return of fluids to your body. Check your yellow pages or hospital for a lymphedema specialist.

Jan PT CWS

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Has anyone addressed nutrition to you. Have you increased your protein intake? Multiply your weight in kg. X 1.5. That is the amount of protein you need in grams.
Are you a diabetic? If so, are your blood sugars under control? Add soy protein to your diet.

elena, RN
Home Health

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Linda, I don't want to sound simplistic here but if you truly have a venous ulcer, the gold standard of treatment is compression and elevation. If you have decent blood flow through your leg arteries you may receive compression to your legs. Leg blood flow can be determined by palpable pulses in your feet or ABI testing on your legs - during this test they put blood pressure cuffs on your legs. You don't mention whether or not there is swelling, drainage, etc. Often people will receive compression pumping and placement of Unna's boots to reduce the swelling. If there is significant drainage, a foam dressing or an alginate type dressing could be place over the wound under the boot. You should try to locate a true wound center in your area and get a referral there. Becky, PT

Hi

I am an RN who works in home health care. I recently completed an evaluation on a client who has stage 4 pressure ulcers that have filled in with granulating tissue. I was told by another nurse that a stage 4 pressure ulcer cannot be 100% granulating tissue and that a wound with a 100% granulating tissue to the wound bed would not have exudate. I feel that both of her comments are incorrect, could you possible give me your feedback on this matter.

Thank you;

Amy RN
In my experience when wounds are staged they are staged at their worst, and as wounds heal they are not downstaged. A well healing stage 4 therefore can have 100% granulation tissue in the wound bed. Also any open wound can have exudate.

Bonnie Pleasant LPNWCC
Wound Care Manager

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You're correct that she's incorrect. A stage IV ulcer should be fully granulated if it's filling in. It may certainly start necrotic, but won't close until it's granulated. Also, granulated wounds may have
nearly any kind of exudate. Serosanguinous is very common, and purulent may occur if there's an infection (yes, possible on healthy tissue).
Any basic wound care text should provide you supporting information on this.

Renee C, MSPT, MPH, CWS

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I think you are on track. Until the wound is closed the lymphatic and capillary systems are still producing structures and fluid and protein are still leaking to the wound surface.



Jan PT CWS
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Amy-
In my experience, Stg 4 ulcers are the best about granulating, currently in the facility I work at we have 2 stg 4 ulcer that are 100% granulated and on vac treatment because of the exudate.
Remember in order for the wound to be a stg 4 you only have to see bone, tendon, or ligament once during an assessment. And once you have seen it that wound will always be a stg 4, even after it closes.
Regeneration of the dermis and subcutaneous doesn't even begin until the wound has closed and stayed that way 6-8 weeks and you can't "down grade" a wound until the subcutaneous,dermis and epidermis have been restored.
Tina (LVN, Treatment nurse)

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Amy, A Stage IV wound with 100% granulation tissue in the wound bed sounds as though it is healing well. It would have to have been down to the bone at some point in order to be staged a IV but now is a healing Stage IV evidenced by the presence of granulation tissue. Almost any wound can have exudate at any time prior to re-epithelialization. Maybe your organization needs to come to common ground on definition of these terms and others. Often people will use the same word for different situations. Becky, PT

Hello, I came across your website while searching for a wound care software application.
I was wondering if your organization recommend any wound skin and ostomy documentation software?

Your help is greatly appreciated. Thank You!


KB
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can you please tell me how i could make didaksol solution at home

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When documenting decubitus care at the buttocks aspect which term is correct clean or aseptic?

Rfalcon

Most wound care outside of the operating room is done with clean not sterile (or aseptic) technique regardless of the location.  Becky, PT

PS - decubitus ulcers are better named pressure ulcers.  It gives a more accurate description of the type of wound with which you are dealing. 
 

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Clean; unless you are using sterile gloves, solution, gauze, ointment, and dressings. In that case aseptic would be the correct term.
Tina (LVN, Treatment nurse)

Hello i am an RN educator in wound care and I need help regarding a teaching option.
I have thought of using a leg of pork to create wounds upon 1st - 4th grade wounds - has anyone had success/problems with doing this or are there some better options?
Thanks Denise.

Denise
 
I've heard of this with a leg of lamb too. It won't show necrosis, though, which makes staging more difficult (but realistic). I've never seen a person's wound look like a piece of edible meat. Also, remember that pressure ulcers are staged, not graded. Neuropathic ulcers may be graded (Wagner's), but I doubt that's what you're planning to do.

Renee C, MSPT, MPH, CWS

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