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I regulate boddy Art businesses. there is an ongoing debate as to the best practice for covering the tattoo just after it has been applied. Most of my shops suggest that the bandage be left on the tatto for 1-4 hours and then gently clean and reapply 4x's a day an ointmnet like A&D. I have a contingency that likes to use plastic food wrap to initially cover the wound. We have regulators that suggest that creates an anerobic environment tha tis bad and that the wound should be covered with gauze and tape.

Is there research, articles, text, web sites that will help support the best practice. I have read the commnets on wet wound care from your web site and I feel that the plastic wrap may best support that.

thanks for your assitance
Karl E. Schiemann
Senior Public Health Inspector
Try the web site www.worldwidewounds or the wound
research unit at Cardiff university UK
Janine Michaelides SRN ONC DIP.HE(Wound Care)

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In my opinion, either practice would be acceptable. They both create a seal which promotes moist wound healing and decreases the formation of scar
tissue.
LPN wound nurse.

I am a certified coder. I have a wound center that I am responsible for as far as auditing charts and documentation. I also have HBO (hyperbaric oxygen therapy), I am looking for a conference on documentation guidelines for both things listed above. Do you have anything like this?


Thanks

Tammy
TCassel@PINNACLEHEALTH.org
Kathy Schaum gives excellent presentations at the major wound conferences. Look at www.woundcaresymposium.com (next May), and
www.symposiumonwoundcare.com (which is in a couple weeks in Phoenix).
I have not seen any courses specifically on wound care coding. Usually it's a wound conference with a section on coding or a coding seminar for a specific profession (physicians, nurses, PTs) with little on
wounds themselves.

Renee C, MSPT, MPH, CWS
 Hi,
I would like some feedback on how best to treat nonhealing venous stasis ulcers with large amounts of serous drainage. Originally, the patient was d/c'd from the hospital with accuzyme to these wounds daily. The tissue is pink on all ulcerated areas, therefore I think that accuzyme is not the appropriate therapy. I just started to use silver aquacel to the problematic ulcers this week. This patient really is a candidate for a wound vac, but the medical system is nonyielding at this time. Any and all suggestions would be helpful !!!!!!
Nina Winston, MSN, OCN
Is compression in the treatment plan? Once the arterial system is cleared, then compression is crucial to healing venous ulcers. It gets to the cause of the ulcer. Once it's healed, ongoing compression is
still necessary to prevent recurrence.
Renee C., MSPT, MPH, CWS

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Try Iodosorb ointment for heavy exudating wound. Check ABI index, then consider light compression with elevation.

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Hello,
You are right in stopping the accuzyme if the wounds are clean. For a venous insufficiency ulcer, compression is a gold standard for healing, as long as there is not arterial insufficiency that causes the ABI (ankle/brachial index) to be less than .8 (some people will say you can go as low as .6). Compression can be accomplished by unna's boots, or layer bandaging systems like Profore. I have used silver alginates to the wound beds under these dressings if I feel there could be some troublesome bacterial colonization. These bandages can go as long as a week between changes if appropriate (not saturating the dressing). Encourage the patient to walk, but not to stand or sit with feet down. With the compression bandages, walking actually enhances the calf pump mechanism.
Vicki, MSPT, CWS

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hi I am a Rehab Nurse Coordinator dealing with wound and skin care on a daily basi....Pleeeease try Ferris Polymem, or Convatec Lyofoam...Its great for venous wounds with heavy drainage and is very user friendly. With the polymem make sure wound is not irrigated or any solution used during wound treatment, folloow directions to the "T". Please do a complete assessment ruling out pyoderma or cellulitis (culture wound if possible first).....good luck

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If the patient has had an Ankle Brachial Pressure
Index done to exclude any aretrial disease then the
gold standard treatment for venous leg ulcers is
compression bandaging with a wound care product that is able to handle large amounts of exudate such as a foam dressing.It is the bandaging which heals the wound by increasing the efficiency of the calf muscle pump to return blood to the heart.
I would also suggest that if there is odour, redness or inflammation of the surrounding skin associated with the exudate then you should do a routine wound swab.You also need to exclude any other factors associted with delayed wound healing such as diabetes anaemia and malnutrition. I had a patient with a venous leg ulcer of 30 years standing and the wound took 2 years to heal so persever.
Janine Michaelides SRN ONC DIP.HE(Wound Care).
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compression therapy is the gold standard for venous ulcers, check for active CHF or ESRD. Charles Rossetti,LPTA

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Hello Nina.

We need to look at the etiology of the wound and
any barriers to healing such as infection, presence of
necrotic tissue, nutrition, edema, conditions as diabetes and hypertension. If these are venous stasis ulcers, they will not usually heal until you provide some compression due to the deficient valves.

There is tissue congestion which will interfere with healing. Accuzyme should be discontinued if there is no necrotic tissue to debride and if there is minimal amount (like minimal patchy areas of  slough), it may be better to use other dressings instead. Unna boot dressings combine medication, and compression (although not graded compression). My experience with it, I got good results if applied properly. It worked to lift off slough as well. The other option is to use compression with graded pressure as hose to be worn or a lympedema pump.

I'd suggest the patient gets a vascular study done first as you want to be sure that a patient does not have arterial insufficiency as well. For those with arterial insufficiency, you want to limit compression pressure or not even use compression at all. If the patient is diabetic, you need to watch too as you could get a good ABI for instance, but only because you have arteries that are calcified so you still have the arterial insufficiency. In this case, compression bandages with Profore for instance (compression with less pressure) may be more appropriate.

If studies show venous insufficiency only, you can try Unna boot, applied in the morning before the patient has had legs in dependent position (to change q 3-7 days depending on amount of drainage), and place on an ambulation program. Also encourage the habit of performing ankle pumps frequently in the day, elevating the legs whenever he is not ambulating.

If with a lot of drainage, you may even want to try calcium alginate dressings first for maybe a week or so until the drainage is much less that you can switch to the Unna boot within a week. If you do try the Alginate dressings and a secondary dressing, make sure these together are not bulky and definitely use compression hose 16-18 mmHg pressure (again if there are no arterial insufficiency). And again, place on ambulation program.

The only contraindication to progressive ambulation is if your patient should show moderate to severe arterial insuffiency.

The ambulation and exercise will be good for a patient who is diabetic and with venous insufficiency problem only (no arterial problems) because the exercise should help with glycemic control.

Consult a PT for the exercises and ambulation.

Usually, venous ulcers will heal with compression. There are modalities to try for chronic wounds but as a rule, compression is tried first. (Contraindications to compression is arterial insufficiency, CHF, unchecked infection).

Check meds too. Any factors as use of steroids? protein deficiency (can result from undernourishment and also from heavily draining wounds), hypertension.

Hope these help.
Maria Carunungan, DPT, CWS

Dear Sir/ Madam.
Where can I find information about research and trials on the subject of pressure sore prevention?
Yours
Dr. Ehoud Har-Shemesh
family physician Israel
Contact the European Pressure Ulcer Advisory Panel they have a web site.
Janine Michaelides SRN ONC DIP.HE(Wound Care)

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I'm not sure if you're looking for current trials in progress, or about published studies. The major journals are Ostomy/Wound Management,
Wounds, Advances in Skin and Wound Care, The Journal of the Wound, Ostomy, and Continence Nurses Association, and Wound Repair and Regeneration. Also check out the Cochrane Library www.cochrane.org has reviews of the literature. You can access Medline on-line to get abstracts at www.PubMed.gov, and you can order articles through that service as well.

Renee C, MSPT, MPH, CWS

Good Morning Sir:
What is your opinion regarding the use of Tissue Adhesive materials in the closure of wounds in general, & for facial wounds in specific. With great thanks...
Dr. Mustafa Alaany
Rashid Hospital,
Dubai,UAE.
Emergency Department.
Mustafa Al'aany
Hello,
I have had some personal experience with this. My daughter fell on the playground and split her chin about 2 cm long and to the bone, splaying about 2 mm. The ER doctor applied the adhesive instead of sutures, which is what I felt was appropriate also. However, my daughter, 5 years old, picked the adhesive off during the night that very night. I steri-stripped it the next day, and it healed well with a minimal scar. So we had a $100 trip to the ER for nothing. My point I guess is that it maybe should not be used on anyone who cannot be trusted to keep in dry and intact. I have had patients who have demonstrated very good results from it.
Vicki, MSPT, CWS
I am a nurse working in long term care and see quite a bit of venous stasis ulcers. I am wondering what treatments are used to treat the dermatits associated with theses ulcers? thankyou, LM 1 Hi I also work in Long Term Care, Rehab Nurse Coordinator (wound Care too)....try Convatec Aloe vesta ....or Dermamed or Dermagran ointment(look up on net), but you can change the dressing to polymem or lyofoam...( the dermatitis may also come from a fungus, so you could apply lotrimin to the surrounding skin for 3 days to see if you get results---fungus comes from moisture).good luck

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You dont mention what treatment these patients are recieving. If they are wearing a compression bandage they could be allergic to the bandage material. If the ulcer is exuding then its probably this that is causing dermatitis and you need to find a dressing which will keep the exudate away from healthy skin such as Mepitel by Molyncke.
Janine Michaelides SRN ONC DIP.HE(Wound Care)
 

When would you implement sterile technique in dressing a stage iv pressure ulcer?, vs. just doing clean technique. thankyou, LM2 Clinical Practice Guidelines recommend the need for only clean, not sterile, technique for dressing all pressure ulcers.....wounds are very dirty and you need to protect yourself from contamination rather than protecting the wound and you need to guard against cross contamination - just good infection control practices.....you would always, of course, would use sterile instruments for any debridement procedures....but dressing changes need only be clean technique. MAO, PT

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Hello,
The 3 institutions I am familiar with have a protocol of sterile technique to be used in the first 24 hours following a surgical procedure, such as a surgical debridement of an ulcer, or when sharp debridement is being performed by the therapist, then back to clean technique.
Vicki, MSPT, CWS

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I would do sterile technique if they are severely immunocompromised, such as post-transplant for AIDS. All chronic wounds are contaminated,
so clean is usually sufficient. You can look at the Pressure Ulcer Treatment Guidelines available on-line.
Renee C, MSPT, MPH, CWS


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