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March 16, 2005
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I am a community nurse. My clients always follow up Podiatrist. They always
precribed providone iodine solution cleansing the wound, then Betadine
ointment with inadine (with iodine) gauze applied on the wound. Is it useful
for the chronic leg ulcer? Can I use it for long term? I always found the
wound was macerated by the ointment. The Podiatrist always emphasize use
much more ointment on the wound.
Regards,
Flora |
Betadine is cytotoxic to healthy tissue, so it will slow the healing.
If he really wants an iodine antimicrobial product, try Iodosorb by
Healthpoint. It is not cytotoxic, works great at reducing bioburden, and
absorbs a bit.
Renee Cordrey, MSPT, MPH, CWS---
Yes it can be used long term. If you are
consistently seeing maceration try suggesting Iodosorb, it is an iodine
crystal that absorbs drainage.
Tina (L.V.N., wound care nurse)
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you can use iodine for a longer period of
time.
You are right! Ointment can cause maceration in healthy skin.You can protect
the healthy skin by applying zinc paste instead of ointment.
unsigned
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I AM A WOUND CARE NURSE AT THE HOSPITAL WHERE
I WORK IN BALTIMORE MARYLAND. WE HAVE FOUND THE USE OF PROVIDONE IODINE TO
BE HARMFUL TO THR REGENERATING SKIN CELLS. SOME DOCTORS STILL TRY TO ORDER
IT BUT WE ARE SLOWLY BREAKING THM AWAY FROM IT. THE ONLY TIME WE USE IT IS
ON HEAL ULCERS WE WANT TO DRY UP.
unsigned
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My experiences with chronic leg
ulcers.......venous......is:
Cleanse with Normal Saline or antimicrobial soap. Don't use anything
else....toxic
Apply
Aquacel AG....accuzyme.....hydrogel.......etc.
Cover with DSD..........ABD..........etc.
Leg wraps..........Unna Boot..........Profore........etc. These are
essential to create a good compression. Wounds will not heal sans
compression wraps. Make sure the leg (when ready for wrapping) has enough
ABD/ gauze wraps so that the leg looks cylindrical (this prevents the
wrapping from slipping down and causing a tourniquet-like situation.
Change the wound care/ leg wraps 2/ week , preferably.
RNFrankie@AOL.com
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Flora
Betadine is not recommended in wound care for cleansing a wound, The use of
N.S. Irrigation Solution should be used to clean and irrigate wounds. Look
into this. Good Luck!!
MaryAnne R.N.
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Povidone iodine can hamper wound healing and
more so if it is used continuously.
unsigned
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Please don't use povidone for long time as it
will macerate the wound.Instead you can wash with normal saline and apply
tulle gauze of paraffin or framycetin. If the wound is not healing the
plastic surgeon is the ideal person to treat.
Prof.Alamelu.
Plastic surgeon
India |
Dear Wound Care Specialists,
I would very much appreciate information re: Medi/Medi coverage for decubiti
prevention mattresses or other like products. I am a volunteer nurse at a
clinic which sees underfunded or non-funded patients mostly, with patients
being usually non-english speaking. We have a patient who "lost
qualification for her specialized mattress to alleviate pressure. Her stage
3 ulcers had become classified as a stage 1 or 2. She lost her mattress.
Isn't a stage 3 always a stage 3 for wound care purposes, issues, and for
Medi/Medi coverage of her products, especially her mattress or mattress pads
for prevention of decubiti. Please e-mail me back with this information so
that I can assist this family and nurse in keeping this mattress which
prevents deblitating and costly decubiti in this elderly and totally
bedridden patient. Thank you, Jeanne Marie Kelly,R.N. |
Yes a
stg III is a sgt III until it is healed/resolves, but that doesn't fix your
dilemma... sometimes you can purchase an alternating pressure air overlay
(APP) that has been used from medical supply companies fairly cheap... one
thing I like to do is put the overlay on top of 4 inch excrete. It will give
you the benefit of an alternating/pressure reduction system on an other wise
hard bed.
Tina (L.V.N., wound care nurse)---
As long as a patient has two pressure
ulcers.....Stage III or worse........they qualify for a pressure relieving
mattress (this is my understanding).
Pressure ulcers are not restaged as they heal........they may end up healed
, but still described as a Healed Stage IV.......Healed Stage III, etc.
Major mistake to refer to a pressure ulcer in any other way.......a Stage IV
is always a Stage IV.
RNFrankie@AOL.com
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Whoever “backstaged” her, downgrading the
wound from 3 to 2 to 1 mis-used the staging system and did her a huge
disservice. Only on the MDS does one have to backstage. If she is in
homecare, they should adhere to the “once a stage 3 always a stage 3” and
she would have continued to qualify for the mattress until the ulcer healed.
Laurie M. Rappl, PT, CWS
Clinical Support Manager
Span-America
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You can not de-stage a decubitus ulcer. If it
was staged as a three, it can not go down to a 1. Usually there is a
facility policy on this matter. If you don't have one you may contact some
other institutions in your area and look at their policies. Bless you for
what you are doing. ~Paula Wheeler RN/BSN Central Tech Drumright, OK
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You are correct when you state that a stage 3
remains a stage 3 throughout the healing process. Unfortunately, it sounds
like somebody made an error and documented this healing ulcer as a stage 1
or 2. New documentation should be submitted and the patient should be able
to continue with an appropriate and, hopefully, fully funded plan of care.
Nolan Teter, LPN
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A decubitus ulcer can never change stages
once it is staged. However it can be documented for example that the patient
has a stage 3 decubitus ulcer that is improving or healed . A patient could
also have for example a stage 3 ulcer that has deteriorated and describe the
clinical picture of the wound. It is still whatever the decub was originally
staged at even if the wound fits the criteria to be a more severe stage
.Hope this helps.
Liz Johnson BSN RN |
I am attempting to find information re: the use of TTO (tea tree oil) in
treating patients with infection/colonization with MRSA, pseudomonas
aeruginosa, candida albicans, crytococcus neoformans. I was informed that a
nursing home nearby is implementing a protocol using this and bactroban for
4 weeks with success in eliminating MRSA colonization. Can anyone guide me
to some references?
Thanks
Phil, PT, CWS |
Tea
tree oil is distilled from leptospermum (common NZ name is Manuka) bushes
here in New Zealand and also in Australia. I believe the science department
at Waikato University has undertaken research on the oil - the university
has researched the therapeutic effects of Manuka honey for over a decade
now. If you can convince Google you are not after information about
alcoholic products you may be able to reach the site www.purangi.co.nz,
which is a NZ company which produces tea tree oil products. There have been
references to the impact of the oil on MESA in various media sites,
including BBC, CNS. Liz, registered nurse, New Zealand
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either you use TTO or bactroban.But not both.
unsigned
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When do you folks tend to use silver dressings?
When you want to: a) prevent infection
in a wound that does not look infected
b) jump start a non-healing wound that
doesn't look infected
c) treat a visible infection
d) other?
Thanks,
Alfred, MD |
I ONLY
USE SILVER DRESSINGS WHEN THERE'S AN ACTUAL INFECTION, NOT FOR PREVENTION .
ALSO TO "JUMP-START" A WOUND, I'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH COLLAGEN
DRESSINGS INSTEAD.
Amparo (Amy) Pastor RN
Certified Wound Specialist---
surgical wound post op....surgeon places
silver dsg in wound.....especially, post CABG
HJ RN Wound Care
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E) all of the above
In the facility I work in we will use silver products on wounds that are
high risk for infection (coccyx/sacral/lower extremity diabetic), "stagnant"
wounds that don't look infected, and as a topical for obviously infected
wounds, with wonderful results.
Tina (L.V.N., wound care nurse)
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Sir,
I use silver in 1) chronic wounds which are at locations that suggest there
can be high bacterial load which can interfere with healing (eg. a coccygeal
decub on a patient who is incontinent)
2) when there are signs of infection even if colony count is below threshold
3) when there is clinical infection indicated by bacterial count 4) at any
time I use the vac as foam can breed
pathogens 5) on extensive wounds when patient is even more susceptible to
infection-
Maria Carunungan, DPT, CWS
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All of them. I tend to use silver dressing
that also have a hydrogel in them. Jennifer PTA
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i would use silver dressing when the wound
shows infection or when the wound is suppuring or when the wound stagnate in
the granulation phase.
unsigned |
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