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Please guide me on the latest home care for abrasions sustained from a bicycle accident.

Thank you.
Barbara Sokol
I personally like the product, mepiform by MoInlycke. Make sure the areas
are irrigated well with normal saline and dry and then apply. You can leave in place virtually until healed & if there is drainage, apply a secondary dressing and change that without changing the mepiform. You may have to have your physician & pharmacy special order it.

Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS
Director of Clinical Services

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HYDROGEL SHEETS HAS A "COOLING" EFFECT ALSO

Amparo (Amy) Pastor
RN, CWS, Manager of Clinical Practice
Gentiva® Health Services
 

Can a radiation center, who has patients using hydrogel sheets before and after each
radiation therapy treatment actually bill various insurance's for the hydrogel sheet, even if it is a nonprescription medical product? What is the maxim reimbursement from and insurance carrier on a Hydrogel Sheet in California?
Sincerely,
Hal Wynbrandt
Medi-tech
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Hi, I am a home care supervisor trying to assist a nurse with choosing a therapeutic wound product. The patient has a head wound (scalp) after a MOHNS procedure. The wound is 4.5 cm.x 5.5cm with minimal depth. Recently, the treatment was cleanse with NSS, apply Allevyn, dry dressing and surgilast to secure. The doctor now feels that the wound is hypergranulating, and wants the treatment to be apply Vaseline, dry dressing daily. Can you offer any other treatment option that would be more effective, as well as more economical (less changing/less nursing visits)? Any help appreciated. Thanks.

Linda
Possibly try adaptic before applying dressing. Keeps the hypergranulation down.
Cheryl Nichols LVN Tx Nurse

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I personally like silvasorb by Medline - the gel sheet - not the gel in a tube. You cleanse the wound, apply sheet and put a cover dressing over it and it can stay a week. It works wonders for all types of wounds and reduces bacteria as well.

Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS
Director of Clinical Services
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Hi.........I like wound care........not an expert by any means.

For hypergranulation in Home Health--- I would use a foam......this forces the hypergranulation to diminish. Of course, sharp debridement could be used also.
this is just my experience.

Frankie

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hydrgel or saf gel will promote moisture and can be changed less than daily.
Starting with daily and observing if wound stays moist if so then decrease to qod ultimately go to monday, wednesday, friday. Make sure the wound
stays moist.

homecare RN

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Polymem can be a great product for such situations. Change every two to three days.

unsigned

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First of all the physician should have handled the hypergranulation. This could have been done by using a scalpel or with silver nitrate sticks. Instead of using an Allevyn as your cover dressing how about using a hydocolloid like Repleicare. It only has to be changed weekly if you don't have too much drainage. I will cover, protect and autodebride if you have any slough. The wound bed will stay moist for good moist healing and it sticks well.
de, RN BSN

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We've had excellent results with hydrofera blue with MOHS patients, a bacteriostatic foam dressing, dressing change every 1-3 days. Actually used with a gentleman who eventually lost his ear and had very large scalp wound. This MOHS surgeon uses hydrofera very often

Sharon , RN New York

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You may want to consider Apligraf for this patient.
Santo

My wife is having a repeat bout of an MRSA infection in the abdominal region where the last one occurred. The first time she was on vancomycin thru her portacath. It has been 3 1/2 months since the vancomycin. Her Doctor now has her taking Zyvox, 28 pills, 2 pills a day. Has anyone had experience with Zyvox and an MRSA infection ? My wife also is an type II diabetic and a stage 4 colorectal patient. The first MRSA was acquired while she was in the hospital for one of her 7 operations for colon cancer and it was possibly the result of an infected mesh. Currently she has cancer lesions on her liver but another hepatic doctor will not do an ablation procedure until the infection is cleared up. If anyone knows of any other stuff that will knock out the MRSA bug, conventional or non-conventional let me know.

David Brown
Although an infection control doctor would have to be the one to order systemic antibiotics, for wound care itself, I would try a silver product as they may reduce MRSA as well as other bacteria - i.e. silvasorb gel sheets by Medline. You only have to change it weekly (outer dressings are changed
as needed).


Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS
Director of Clinical Services

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MRSA is a common problem with surgical patients. Vanco is the drug of choice and Zyvox has shown good results. Who is culturing the wound? Once you have MRSA I believe you are going to be colonized with it. Usually you don't need to repeat the Vanco. Does she have a fever, drainage, pain at the surgical site. If she has no signs or symptoms of infection then she is most likely colonized. Another thing is that if a swab culture was done it only cultured the surface of the wound and that will always be contaiminated. The best culture would be a needle aspiration done by a physician.
de Rn BSN ICP

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Silver is know to eliminate MRSA. There are several costly but great wound dressings that contain silver. AQUACEL AG for heavily draining wounds or ACTICOAT SILVER that can stay inplace for seven days. Silver can not be used with saline, you must use clean or sterile water

unsigned

Hello,

My daughter who is 14 has a non healing sinus tract after having an infection from what we are thinking was an in-grown hair follicle on her thigh. We are not entirely sure what caused the lesion in the first place, but it got infected, then erupted and has been draining for weeks now. We put heat compresses on it nightly and then hydrogen peroxide and Neosporin and a bandage. But because of the sinus tract problem, it's not healing.

The doctor is now saying that a surgeon needs to do something to close the sinus tract.

Can you explain why a sinus tract does not heal and after the surgeon stitches it, what can be done to reduce the scarring that forming from all this.

She has a red circle about the size of a quarter and a ¼ inch white line going up the middle. It's at the top of the white line that there are wholes where the sinus tract is draining.

We're going to see the surgeon Friday, but I want to be as educated as possible about this.

Thank you.

Monica
Although I can't say for certain, wounds generally have to heal from the bottom up; so if they heal on the outside first, an abscess can easily develop on the inside, grow and break open at the top again. This time, whether you have the surgeon debride first or not, please treat by packing the inside daily (maybe with a calcium alginate rope product) and then you will notice every day you will be packing a little less until as it is closing from the bottom up and the depth is gradually decreasing.

Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS

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Infected hair follicles are not uncommon, especially in the perineal area, or those with curly body hair, as the hairs sometimes grow back into the skin.

The use of hydrogen peroxide to heal a wound is unfortunate, since it is a cytotoxic agent, meaning it is deadly to the cells that are needed to heal a wound. Hydrogen peroxide is toxic to fibroblasts, and their ability to proliferate is essential to any healing wound.

The use of Neosporin is something I have stopped using in my practice altogether. Over the years I have seen many people develop a sensitivity to it, which I believe is due to the fact the the ointment is over used. Rather than applying the product to only the wounded cells, it often is spread out over the skin surrounding the wound, which of course does not need to be treated, as it is not wounded (...yet..). Applying any chemical to intact skin can often result in a reaction, so the periwound skin should not be seeing the antibiotic ointment.

As far as a sinus tract is concerned, it can develop any time there is a wound whose base does not fill in at the rate necessary for the skin on the perimter to be able to cover over it. In other words, the periwound skin wants to advance over unhealed, healthy tissue. If, when those new skin cells on the border of the wound are ready to walk across the wound, but there is to much depth present, the new skin cells can walk down the wall of the wound. Once skin has grown vertically, rather than hoizontally, there is no chance for the skin cells to reunite from one side of the wound to the others. A surgeon may simply debride, with a scalpel, the rolled edge of the wound, down to healthy, bleeding tissue, and have you do some sort of gentle packing of the wound depth (must always be filled in, never to get dried out), and there are a variety of products for this, depending on the characteristics of the wound. It may be a simple piece of gauze ribbon, or some hydrogel (water based gel). In any event, the void of the sinus must not be allowed to be a void; we don't want the tissues to dry, nor the temperature of the tissues in the sinus to lower, due to the open space.

I hope this LONG answer helps! See the surgeon:)

James A. Patrizi, PT, CWS, FCCWS

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Monica,
Sinus tracks are extremely difficult to treat. This is because you can't fill the void with any supplies. A surgeon is the only way to close the wound with the help of antibiotics. Scaring can be cleared with a wonderful product from Smith/Nephew called Cica-Care. Applied to the area for a few weeks and its gone and it self sticks. Similar products can be purchases at drug stores.
de RN BSN

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When a sinus track remains open but the surface closes it creates a cavity trapping wound drainage and bacteria. It becomes an abscess and needs to reopen to drain its contents. It will never be gone until in fills in from the base up and then closes over. The opening needs to be kept open and the fluid wicked from the sinus track until the track is gone. There are several products designed to reduce scar formation after the wound is closed. Look into silicone sheets. Be aware, it takes 2 years for the scar to fully mature.
Michelle, PT

I am looking for more input we had a disagreement at the hospital I work at the order for cleansing a wound with sal clens was obtained one of the RN's insisted that saf clens has soap in it and needs to be rinsed off I stated that it is a wound cleanser does not need to be rinsed and that it was close to NS but that it has preservatives in it so that it can be used over again instead of a new bottle every 24 hours like the plan NS can any one help with this disagreement? Mavis I would contact Convatec for the particulars about saf clens, I personally like using it, but if you work in the hospital environment, they recommend that you leave each bottle in the patient room and not use it on another patient. I personally like it because it is not cytotoxic and can be kept longer than normal saline and with the pump, also debrides debris better
from the wound bed

Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS
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Mavis..........you are correct. "Disregard" her opinion, if you can.

Frances J. Jessup, RN, BSN

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Safclens is a no-rinse product! It contains no soap.
deRn BSN

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You are correct. Saline may be used for wound irrigation, but once the container is opened, it should be discarded within 24 hours. Commercially available wound cleansers are safe and effective for cleansing wounds, and do not need to be irrigated out of the wound site. You can refer to either the WOCN website for additional information, or the Clinical Practice Guidelines published by the (now disbanded) Agency for Health Care Policy and Research, Publication #95-0652, Dec. 1994. Of greater concern is the practice of using cytotoxic agents for standard wound cleansing, such as Dakins soluntion, Betadine, Acetic acid, Hydrogen peroxide, etc. These chemicals have very specific uses, and rationale must be clear as to why a wound may briefly need such a strong agent, and justification for repeated use of them must be well documented.

James A. Patrizi, PT, CWS, FCCWS

I am torn between the advice of the physicians that I have spoken with...
I had Mohs micrographic surgery on 8/10 for basal cell carcinoma. I am left with a t-closure of 12-14 sutures on the upper forehead. My after-care
instructions say to cleanse with H202, apply a generous amount of Polysporin and a dressing daily. Conversely, I've been told by another physician that ointments significantly reduce healing time. He suggests generous cleansing with H202 and leaving the wound open to air whenever possible for a better cosmetic result. What to do ????

Mike
I hate to say this, but the latter doctor is wrong and should go to wound care school. Wounds need a moist healing environment to heal properly and
the old 'let it dry out' is old old school thinking.

Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS

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Mike:

Most wound care nurses would emphatically disagree with using hydrogen peroxide on any wound. Cleanse with normal saline, pat dry with gauze. Apply a THIN layer of antibiotic ointment.......neosporin, bacitracin (preferably), polysporin. Cover with gauze dressing...skin prep intact skin, and tape in place.

These are my suggestions for your wound care.

Frances J. Jessup, RN, BSN

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The Neosporin was recommended to prevent infection, if the doctor who recommended it insists on something preventative ask him for an antibiotic cream like Bactroban. unsigned

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H2O2 is toxic to wounds and should never be used full strength. If you must use it half strength is adequate. Normal Saline has been proven 100% safe and the infection rate is no greater then ones treated with H2O2. H2O2 will actually delay healing time. A better choice then Polysporin would be Bactroban because it works against MRSA. Ointments do not prolong healing.
de RN BSN

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Research has heavily shown that a healthy wound is a moist wound. The correct balance of moisture will promote the bodies ability to fight infection and close the open area. Hydrogen provide is cytotoxic, destroying the good cells as well as the bad ones. It over drys the tissues decreasing the ability of the cells to fight surface contaminants and prohibits the perimeter of the wound from contracting. Topical antibiotic/antimicrobial ointments are good to use sparingly and keep the wound clean and covered. Michelle, PT

hi
i am a therapist and i'm working on the therapautic effect of urine on wound healing.i am working with albino whister rats.i would be grateful if i could be sent suggestions,materials,journals etc to assist this project.
thank you
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I have a patient with a stage 4 pressure wound with low albumin (2.7). We are meeting her extimated protein needs (generously) and are wondering why the albumin remains low. Her weight and other lab results are wnl. Any thoughts would be appreciated. The wound is not draining excessively. Thank you.

Jennifer
Protein is frequently "leaked out" in the drainage from the wound, if the wound has gross amount of drainage that could be the problem. I would look into culturing the wound to make sure you aren't dealing with an infection that will contribute to the amount of drainage.

unsigned

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Has a culture been done? Not only for infection, but underlying conditions such as cancer? Are there underlying co-morbidities that could affect absorption? How old is this patient? Are you testing pre-albumin rather than albumin?

Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS

Is anyone seeing wounds infected with multi-drug resistant acintobacter baumanii? Are you using any additional infection control procedures other than normal wound care procedures? We are especially concerned about the risks with pulsed lavage. (should the patient be masked?)


Carol DiPrima, PT
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Hello,

I am a graduate student at U of M-Flint, MI. I am in
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