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I am a CSR manager in a long term care facility.
I just recieved a request
from a N.P. for Promagran Matrix by J&J are there any comprable dsgs ?
What are they? Thanks, Virginia |
Possibly oasis by healthpoint
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS
Louisville, KY
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what exactly is sinus tracking? how is it
different from tunneling? thanks Michele |
The terms are used
interchangeably.
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS
Louisville, KY---
a sinus track does not have two openings, tunneling does.
CB homehealth RN
---
Sinus tracking is more like a skinny tunnel that goes in one direction
and undermining forms a "lip". I guess the best way to diffenterate is would
be in the way you chart it... a wound may have tracking @ 3 o'clock or
undermining from 3 to 5 o'clock.
Tina (L.V.N./ wound care nurse)
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The greatest difference is how the people you are working with
differentiate between these two. The research DOES NOT differentiate between
tunnel and track and literature does use them interchangeably. (I have asked
this question myself of some of the leading teachers in wound care.) That
being said, in your area you may find individuals/institutions establishing
their our definitions for these terms. My peers have been using tunneling to
describe a opening that extends under the epidermis and opens up into
another area (like a tunnel in a road,two entrances) and track to describe
an open area that extends out or down from the primary wound area that does
not exit . Sinus tracks must close from the bottom up to prevent the surface
from closing and leaving an open area underneath, ready to fill with
bacteria/fluid/etc and abscess. Michelle, PT, CWS |
I am trying to find out more information about a
wound care product called Di-Dak-Sol. Can you please tell me how I can find
out more about this product?
Thank you,
Cindy Green |
This
is a brand of Dakins Solution (Sodium hypochlorite aka bleach) that is
pre-mixed and can be purchased through a pharmacy. It is used to debride and
cleanse wounds with necrosis, to control odor in fungating wounds and to
reduce bacteria in wounds with heavy bioburden.
Chris Berke RN CWOCN---
Cindy,
Di Dak Sol is made by Century Pharmaceuticals. It is a broad spectrum
solution that is 0.0125% hypochlorite (bleach), but at this concentration it
is non cytotoxic-dosen't kill fibroblasts. It kills bacteria, yeast and
virus's. This company makes Dakins solution which 0.50% which is harmful to
healthy tissues and is usually only used for short periods of time in very
infected wounds.
Sharon Mendez RN CWS
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Cindy,
Di-Dak-Sol is diluted sodium hypochlorite solution AKA dakin’s solution used
as an antimicrobial to cleanse wounds. It is usually made up of 0.5%
chlorine. It is used short term because it also kills epithelial tissue.
Carmen LPN
Woundcare Nurse |
Is the Dec. 1994 the most current publication
for
Pressure Ulcer Treatment Quick Guide for Clinicians
Bonnie |
These
guidelines were written by a group of experts put together by the
Government. They are still considered gold standard. A more current
publication can be found published by the National WOCN which can be found
in the on-line store on their website @ www.wocn.org. They have guidelines
for Pressure Ulcers, Lower Extremity Neuropathic wounds, Lower extremity
arterial wounds and Lower extremity venous wounds. They were all expertly
compiled after extensive literature review.
Chris Berke RN CWOCN---
I had my hopes that an updated version of the
clinical guidelines would be forthcoming, but I remember reading in Advances
in Wound and Skin Care a year or two ago that this was not going to happen.
I think they said that was because the basics of wound care were pretty much
unchanging.
Nancy B. RN, CWCN |
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I am a home health nurse. When I worked in a
wound care clinic, we used iodosorb gel in a surgically dehisced chest
wound. The person I have right now is on a lot of steroids. Is there
something better to use on these slow healing surgically dehisced chest
wounds? |
Contact KCI for a wound vac.
---
I would explore the Wound Vac marketed by KCI
as an option to speed and facilitate the healing process. We have utilized
this product and it has been very effective. The company has excellent
literature on this, covered by Medicare, and a representative can come to
your facility or pts home and help with the dressing and protocol regarding
the use of this product.
Liz
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Sternal wounds are tough because they are
right under your nose, and theres a lot of bacteria inyour nose. Iodosorb is
good because it will keep the bioburden low. Has a Negative pressure
dressing such as Blue Sky or KCI been considered to speed healing? You can
continue to use the Iodosorb under either of those for added benefits.
Sharon Mendez RN CWS
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have you tried the KCI wound vac? This is a
very cost effient way since you normally only need to change the dsg m-w-f
and prn. Also I have had good
luck with iodoform gauze either qd or bid.
CB homehealth RN
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You could try applying topical Vitamin A
(poke open the end of the Vitamin A capusle and squeeze out onto wound bed -
use enough capsules related to size of wound), the Vitamin A reverses the
effects of the steroids locally but allows steroids to still work
systemically. Apply it after wound cleansing and before applying appropriate
dressing. Reapply with each dressing change.
Chris Berke RN CWOCN
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The answer to this depends on the evaluation
of the wound. If it is clean and granular and free of infection, Fibracol or
a similar collagen may help If the wound is fairly dry the Fib can be
moistened with saline to turn into a gel like substance before application.
If draining leave the Fib dry when appliing.The Fib is 10 % alginate and 90
collagen It helps to lay down a bed of collagen in the wound to stimulate
healing. After this does its job hydrogel sheets still work well in surgical
wounds. If there is a small amout of slugh you could reverse this The
hydrogel will liquefy the slough Be sure to use a good foam dressing over
the sound to absorb drainage an protect the periwound andgently pack and
underming to protect the edges from rolling and further slowing down healing
J Means RN Wound Care COOrdinator Long Term Care Illinois
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You might try a V.A.C. by KCI or other
negative pressure therapy such as BlueSky Versatile One. Of course, the
underlying nutritional support must be there - you'll need to check labs for
pre-albumin etc.
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS
Louisville, KY |
Hi, I am a 55 year old. 23 years ago I sustained
a degloving injury to my left foot which resulted in the loss of tendons and
nerves to all the toes. 2 years ago I had partial removal of the big toe
because of recurrent ulcers on that toe. I have had the big toe fused which
has a large screw through the toe into the foot. I have had an ankle fusion
and other joint fusions in the foot. Currently, I am trying to heal an ulcer
that resulted from a blister that opened up. The toe drops down and takes a
lot of pressure when walking. I have been changing the dressing every day.
It has had copious amount of serous drainage but in the past week that
serous drainage has changed. I have also had several episodes of profuse
bleeding in the toe which was very difficult to stop. The drainage is now
this, mucous type and is like a neon greenish yellow in color. The toe is
very swollen. I have also had skin grafts and pedicle flaps on that foot.
The circulation to the foot is not great. All summer the foot has been
extremely painful and very swollen. I have been wearing a long surgical boot
in order to control the pain and swelling. The toe area in the boot has been
changed to allow the big toe to drop down so that there isn't any pressure
on the toe.
1. Is the change in the color of drainage normal?
2. Is a local antibiotic ointment the treatment of choice? If so what is the
best one to use?
3. Could this be an infection?
4. What other things can I do to heal this ulcer? I have no feeling in the
toe and most of the foot so I can't tell if it is painful.
Thank you for any help that you can give me. |
I hope
you have been to see your Orthopedic Surgeon by now. Neon green, redness,
swelling, pain are 4 of the 5 cardinal signs of infection. And with all the
changes in your foot; injury, surgery, hardware, you are highly at risk. Get
ye to the doctor! Antibaterial creame may just be making the bacteria
stronger.
Sharon Mendez RN CWS---
Hello,
Any time I see a greenish or blue-greenish drainage I think there has to be
some colonization at least (organisms growing superficially), possibly
infection. An organism called pseudomonas is often a culprit that causes
greenish drainage and a sweet, characteristic smell. Without seeing the
wound, I cannot tell you what dressings would be appropriate. Find a wound
specialist to help.
Vicki, MSPT,CWS
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I am concerned about what you are describing
and much more information is needed to truly give an educated opinion.
However, I would encourage you to find a wound care clinic or a wound
specialist in your area. The color and quantity of drainage as well as the
extent of pain all suggest infection. Bacteria also causes tissue to become
friable and bleed disproportionately. That infection could extend into the
bone. An x-ray will only confirm this in ADVANCED osteomylitis. It would be
much more advisable to have an MRI or bone biopsy (this is a surgical
procedure if you have deep sensation still intact in your foot). You can not
(nor should you attempt to) heel a wound when there is osteomylitis (bone
infection).
If you find out that there is bacteria on the surface of the wound, use any
topical antibiotic ointment or a silver product. If a tissue biopsy
indicates that the bacteria has invaded the healthy tissue then you should
be on oral antibiotics and a topical antiobiotic. When you have poor
circulation it is difficult for the oral antibiotics to get to the affected
area in adequate concentration so often extended periods on antibiotics are
need.
Having the inflammatory stage of heeling prolonged this long is complicating
your healing process. With proper care you should be able to get back on the
heeling track. If you visit www.aawm.org there are links to find a cws
(certified wound specialist) in your area. Good luck!
Michelle, PT CWS
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Neon green drainage is a common occurence
when pseudamonas is present Drainage from a wound is indicative of infection
Recommend to see an orthopedist, podiatrist, Infectious disease specialist
to rule out bone infection and to change your treatment accordingly
Sharon RN, NY
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You have a lot of issues it appears. For one
thing, until it is healed, you must stay off of it. You need to be checked
by a vascular surgeon and correct any circulatory problems with surgery or
medication. The drainage could possibly be pseudomonas from your
description. If the infection is local, I would use a silver product, if
systemic, culture it and be put on
appropriate antibiotic therapy systemically. That's it for a start. If you
continue to walk on it with all your complications, you will most likely
lose it. Once it is healed, wear good footware without any areas of
pressure. Use a mirror nightly to check the bottom of your feet. It sounds
like you have let things progress without knowing because of the
desensitization from the nerve damage. You can never let that happen again.
Alway practice good skin care nightly after checking your feet with a
mirror - rub a good cream into your skin - do not let globs get in between
your toes.
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS
Louisville, KY
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No, the drainage is not normal and the toe is
badly infected.
Please try oral Antibiotic and Bactroban creme. If there is necrotic tissue
you can use an enzyme, mixed with Bactroban creme. Like, Panafil, Accuzyme
or even Santyl.
Clean it real good with Normal Saline or Wound Cleanser, apply the Creme or
mixture cover it with 4X4's secure with tape or kling. Depends on how much
drainage there is change the drsg at least twice a day. Monika LPN- WCN |
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My son had an accident with a chain saw, the
inner aspect of his left foot was injured. Though he has been antibiotics,
his foot has yellow drainage. He is now on another course of antibiotics. I
recommended he soak his foot with h2o2 1/2 strength in h2o for 15-20 minutes
at night then dress with the bactroban crm. When he began this procedure,
his foot really seemed to respond, swelling is down, redness less and looks
to be healing with healthy tissue. The drainage is less too. I told him not
more than 7 days of this soak. Now, from what I am reading the h2o2 is
probably not the best thing to do. Have I given him bad advice? Why the
improvement so dramatically after he intiated this process if so? Thank you
C Howard |
Hydrogen peroxide is cytotoxic. Never put anything in a wound that you
wouldn't put in your own eye. The improvement is probably due to the change
of antibiotics.
Gerry, LPN---
The initial improvement was probably because
he was cleaning it more frequently and using the antibiotic. Peroxide at any
dilution should not be used for any length of time. Keep the wound clean and
moist...shower, use the batroban and a clean dressing only.
Sharon Mendez RN CWS
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You may have cleaned the wound up, and rid
the wound of some bacterial colonization/infection. If it is now laying down
healthy tissue, though, the peroxide can interfere with healing from this
point, and a better choice from here might be an alginate (or silver
alginate if you still suspect bacteria present) with an appropriate
secondary dressing. There are lots of dressings to choose from. Try to find
a wound specialist to look at the wound and help.
Vicki, MSPT, CWS
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Using H2O2 will delay healing but not prevent
it. Many times the body heals in spite of us! a good analogy is that I can
ride my bike 50 miles and still get to the next town but taking the car will
be faster and more effecient etc.... H2O2 can be useful in very dirty
superficial wounds (avoid use with cavernous or tunneling wounds).
Chris Berke RN CWOCN
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Though H2O2 is cytotoxic to some cells, it
may be good for initially getting rid of debris and bacteria. Your
suggestion had probably not done any harm.
I would keep it short term however and not soak in it, just irrigate (and
then rinse with normal saline). Then look to a good wound care person for
therapy.
Deborah Harris, BSN, JD, RN, CWCS
Louisville, KY
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While I generally stay away from the topical
agents that are cytotoxic to healing tissue (H2O2, betadine, dakins, etc), I
sometimes use Iodosorb or Dakins if I find a wound has stagnated in healing;
it may be due to a high bacterial burden which does not necessarily cause an
acute infection but can cause wound deterioration. I don't use it for a long
time, maybe a week or two. Don't beat yourself up over it; if his foot is
still attached and has no further damage, that is a good thing. Just go
forward from here and remember that one wound may require changing
treatments several times during the course of healing.
Nancy B. RN, CWCN |
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