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June 15, 2008
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Wendy contacted me via email and is looking for
a position in wound care. She's setup and run outpatient wound centers.
She's been kind enough to offer an 'ask Wendy'
service, where she can answer some emails that pertain to outpatient wound
centers. Send in your questions and if you know of any job opportunities,
please let me know and I'll pass it along.
Dr. Allan Freedline |
The
AAWC has a job board. Go to http://www.aawconline.org/careers.shtml
Renee Cordrey, PT, PhD(c), MSPT, MPH, CWS
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My husband had a peri-anal abscess. The doctor
opened it in his office which was a terribly painful proceedure. The abscess
reformed, even though he was having it packed daily. He had the second
surgery in day surgery at the hospital. The doctor made a much larger
incision. After months of re-packing he formed a fistula and had to have
surgery in the hopsital again where the surgeon made
even a larger incision. We are now back to the daily packing routine. My
question is, should my husband be soaking in a bath tub? He has not been
doing that but instead just showers. I was just wondering if soaking would
be of any benefit or if you have any other suggestions?
Bonnie |
This
sounds like a complicated situation. Several things could have caused the
problems. He should be evaluated by a wound specialist. Go to www.wocn.org
or www.aawm.org to find someone near you. And, I wouldn't recommend soaking
in a tub with an abscess or a fistula.
Renee C, PT, PhD(c), MSPT, MPH, CWS
----Soaking in a bathtub is not
adviced. There are pathogens
(germs) in the water as well. This is why when people
have whirlpool treatments, antiseptic agents are added. These agents are
good to minimize infection risk but also are harmful to good tissue. Injury
to good tissue can delay healing. Please remember too that the area is
around an opening where you have more germs. Soaking in warm water make the
muscles around the anus relax, hence feces can easily get in the water.
Maria - PT, DPT, GCS, CWS
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Hi Dr. Freedline,
Thank you for responding so quickly to my request. I was looking for
information about 'clean technique'. Specifically, a reference that stated
using clean technique meant not to touch the underside of the dressing with
ungloved hands and not to place a contaminated dressing over the wound.
Sincerely,
Je'annine MSN, RN, CDE
Captain, U. S. Public Health Service |
sorry,
no replies |
Good morning!
I am a hospice nurse. We have an elderly woman who has chronic severe lower
leg edema. The right leg oozes moderate to severe clear liquid and the left
one occasionally oozes. (she has pitted openings in right leg and one in
left). She is an end stage cardiac patient. We are trying to manage her in
the home but are running into difficulty because of dementia and not taking
medication as ordered (water pill makes me go to the bathroom too much). We
have used dressings on the legs but within hours the dressings become so
saturated that she removes them and applies 'home remedy dressings'. Even
those become so saturated that she sometimes slips and falls from the
drainage. The primary nurse recently tried una boots but they become
saturated and the patient removes them because she does not like the 'soggy
feeling'.
Any suggestions besides placing her? ( she refuses). We could send her to
the wound care center but would like to know your thoughts first.
Joyce Garland, RN, CHPPN |
Unn
boots do not absorb much you can try a four layer compression wrap and use
an alginate underneath. this will absorb more. as with all chronic edema the
golden rule is compression and elevation for life. katy rnwcc
----- Baby diapers might help, with a
higher volume of absorption potential. Place them around the leg where
needed. Wrapping with a gauze roll may help hold it all on. This sounds like
a tough case, and you're doing a great job being creative in helping her.
Renee C., PT, PhD(c), MSPT, MPH, CWS
--- We have used baby diapers instead
of abd pads with great success in the home setting - wrapping ace wraps or
tubigrips to secure - these tend to absorb and contain the drainage better.
Any open wounds are of course covered with a dressing first.
Lynda Abbot RN
---- Does she have someone assisting
her at home?
It would still be better to use diuretics and someone
she trusts might help increase her compliance with
the meds.
It is good at least that the wounds are draining, otherwise need caution
with compression due to her cardiac status. (We do not want to shunt the
fluid back to the heart/lungs). Have you used Alginates? They are more
absorbent and can be used with the Unna boot, although my personal
preference is Profore simply because these don't get stiff like Unna
boot and more comfortable on. Any compression, especially in the elderly, I
found it better
to get an ABI. This is to be sure there is also no arterial component.
Has she been referred to a physical therapist? PT can
benefit the patient who has weakness on the lower extremities and therefore
less active, causing legs to be more frequently in dependent position in
sitting, causing more edema. PT can teach the patient lymphedema exercises
and strengthening exercises if there is weakness, as well as increasing
ambulation. Muscle activity helps reduce edema.
They can also use a modality called low volt electrical stimulation with
which PT's use a mode for reducing edema and promoting circulation. This can
onlyh be used for patients who can remain still long enough for the
treatment to be completed and with supervision. Therefore, inpatient
faciltiy placement is recommended.
Case is similar to a few patients we have, when we diuress, followed closely
by Nursing on labs, nutrition and alginate dressings were used - plus e stim
daily for 2 hours after exercises and ambulation. Ambulation was repeated at
least 6 times in the day with the help of caregivers - all for 1 week - then
changing to alginates with profore and e-stim 2 hours 3 days/week after
exercises, ambulation.Great results - With borderline ABI, alternative was
Profore light.
Good luck,
Maria Carunungan, PT, DPT, GCS, CWS
---- Some absorbent options for legs:
Profore layered bandages, Exu-Dry specialty absorbent dressings (these are
available in shapes/sizes to fit the lower leg completely with one piece).
Lee Ann ---
This is a perfect wound for a VAC therapy. call
her doctor for an order and the company supplying the VAC will set her up
with the equipment and dressings.
M. Bristol, wound care LVN |
Dear Sirs,
I saw your website on the internet and I would like to know if you can help
me. My mother has two venous leg ulcers.
The doctor here in Cyprus told me to put Polymem Silver Pad on it. The one
on the left leg is under control but the one on the right leg is somewhat
enlarging. She is taking half an
Antibiotic pill a day. Can you give your professional opinion. Thank you
Helen
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It's impossible to give a medical opinion without seeing her in person. You
can find a wound specialist near you by looking at www.aawm.org and
www.wocn.org.
Renee C., PT, PhD(c), MSPT, MPH, CWS
--- Hello,
Anything with silver will reduce the bactieria, but try to use a light
compression and elevation with the dressing in place, the increase in size
may well be the retention of fluids or dependent edema from being in the
sitting position too long.
Connie Johnson, RN, WCC, DAPWCA
--- Venous ulcers occur due to poor
venous circulation,
hence fluid builds up in the spaces in the tissues,
especially the legs. Eventually, fluid push through
the skin leading to ulcers. They can also get infected
if they are not cared for well or hygiene becomes an issue.
The usual treatment for venous ulcers is compression
using special stockings to control fluid build-up. Some doctors also place
patients on water pill (diuretics) but this depends on how healthy the
patient is. There are some patients who cannot go on diuretics, and there
are some who can go on diuretics but need watched closely due to side
effects.
Movement is encouraged, especially walking. The silver pad is okay as silver
is now widely used to reduce bacterial burden (amount of germs in the wound
which can cause infection). Antibiotics are only used if after a study of
sample swab of the wounds, there is infection. So in this case, even if you
cure the infection but the fluid build-up is not controlled, the wound will
not heal or will progress very slowly. Ways again to control edema/reduce
edema (fluid build-up) are: elevating the leg on a stool when sitting,
frequent movement especially walking, compression (with special stockings
worn during the day), and use of diuretics.
GOOD LUCK,
Maria Carunungan, PT, DPT, GCS, CWS
---- Compression bandaging is the “gold
standard” for lower extremity ulcers related to venous insufficiency. They
can be difficult to heal using dressings alone without compression.
Lee Ann RN, BSN, CWS, FACCWS
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Hi, I"m Cindy
The facility I work for will soon be photographing wounds, I am looking for
some idea as to what other facilities are using to photograph wounds. I am
suppose to check into companies that may offer grants or other incentives
for using their photograph systems and or, some sort of discount or free use
if we purchase the accessory products.
Thanks Cindy
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Now,
you just need an inexpensive digital camera, preferably that has a macro
setting, and a photo printer. I know of no companies who gives a discount
like you're looking for. You may look for grants to pay for it, especially
if your facility serves a low-income community.
Renee C., PT, PhD(c), MSPT, MPH, CWS
----RNFrankie posted your question to
some other folks, and here was one reply:
I work for a medical distributor out of the
Chicago area and they have the grid paper. You can call Leanne in customer
service at 800-648-5190 and ask her about it. Also, you could go on the
website at www.promedsupply.com
I am not sure if you were also looking for a camera, but Leanne could
probably find that for you if you are. Yo can tell Leanne I said to call
her.
Hope that helps.
Karen, RN, BBA, WCC |
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